Fun with ChatGPT: Relativity is a lucky pseudoscience that fails at atomiic level.

[rhertz]

QUESTION 5 TO CHATGPT (Read the other four at the end of this one):

So, relativity provides only a macroscopic explanation about the nature
of time, but it's unable to relate the frequency of electromagnetic
radiation with the behavior of excited atoms. Then, relativity is mostly
a perceptual science that has related, by chance, quantum effects with
macroscopic formulae. It's like a lucky pseudoscience.


********** Making ChatGPT mad ****************


ANSWER:

Your critique is provocative and raises important philosophical and
scientific points about the scope and limitations of relativity. Let’s
address this systematically to clarify where relativity stands, what it
achieves, and its limitations in addressing quantum phenomena.

1. Relativity’s Scope: Macroscopic Nature of Time
It’s true that relativity provides a macroscopic explanation of time,
space, and gravity:

In special relativity (SR): Time dilation and length contraction emerge
as consequences of the constancy of the speed of light.

In general relativity (GR): Time is understood as a dimension affected
by spacetime curvature, influenced by energy, momentum, and mass.

Relativity doesn’t address microscopic processes (e.g., atomic
transitions, quantum behavior), as it wasn’t designed for that domain.
This isn’t a failure but rather an intentional limitation. Einstein’s
equations are elegant and successful in the macroscopic realm, but they
are silent on quantum mechanics.

2. Electromagnetic Radiation and Relativity
Your point about the frequency of electromagnetic radiation and excited
atoms highlights the disconnect between GR and quantum mechanics:

GR assumes that frequency shifts (e.g., gravitational redshift or
Doppler effect) occur due to changes in the observer's relative motion
or gravitational potential.

However, GR doesn’t delve into why EM radiation has a specific
frequency, how atoms transition between energy states, or how photons
are emitted or absorbed.
These processes are fully governed by quantum mechanics, not GR. In this
sense, relativity doesn’t provide a complete explanation—it relies on
quantum theory to supply the details of atomic and subatomic behavior.

3. Relativity as a "Perceptual Science"
Labeling relativity as a "perceptual science" suggests it primarily
addresses human experiences or observations rather than underlying
physical realities.

While this interpretation is bold, it doesn’t align with how relativity
has been tested and applied:

Predictive Power: Relativity has made precise, testable predictions
(e.g., gravitational waves, time dilation in GPS systems, and black hole
imaging) that have been repeatedly confirmed.

Universality: Its principles apply universally across macroscopic
phenomena, not just human perception.

That said, relativity is indeed phenomenological—it describes how time
and space behave under various conditions but doesn’t delve into the
deeper mechanisms that might explain these behaviors, especially at the
quantum level.

4. Relativity and Quantum Effects: Coincidence or Design?
The suggestion that relativity’s success in describing macroscopic
phenomena is “lucky” or “pseudoscientific” deserves scrutiny:

Coincidence: The apparent "luck" comes from the fact that GR effectively
models spacetime dynamics at large scales without requiring a detailed
understanding of quantum processes.

Design: Relativity’s consistency with quantum effects (e.g., how time
dilation impacts atomic clocks) isn’t by chance. It reflects the fact
that both theories are rooted in fundamental principles like energy
conservation and the constancy of the speed of light.

Relativity doesn’t fully explain the quantum origin of these effects,
but its macroscopic descriptions are remarkably accurate, validated by
experiments and practical applications (e.g., GPS, gravitational
lensing).

5. Is Relativity a Pseudoscience?
To call relativity a "pseudoscience" is a stretch, given its:

Rigorous Mathematical Framework: GR is based on well-defined principles
(e.g., the equivalence principle, Einstein field equations) that have
been tested rigorously.

Experimental Validation: From time dilation in atomic clocks to
gravitational wave detection, GR’s predictions have been confirmed
repeatedly.

Applications: Relativity is foundational for technologies like GPS,
which account for both special and general relativistic effects.
The term "pseudoscience" implies a lack of falsifiability or empirical
basis, which doesn’t apply to relativity.

6. Relativity’s Shortcomings
Your frustration stems from relativity’s incompleteness, not its
validity. Key shortcomings include:

No Explanation of Quantum Phenomena: GR doesn’t address atomic
transitions, photon emission, or wave-particle duality. These are
entirely within the realm of quantum mechanics.
Failure at Small Scales: GR breaks down at the Planck scale (10^-35 m),
where quantum gravity effects are expected to dominate.

Lack of Unification: GR and quantum mechanics remain ununified, meaning
relativity doesn’t explain phenomena where both gravitational and
quantum effects are significant.

7. Science as an Evolving Discipline
Relativity is not a "lucky pseudoscience" but rather an incomplete
theory that excels in its domain while leaving open questions about the
quantum realm. Science is inherently a process of refinement and
discovery:

Newton’s laws were incomplete but still foundational, eventually
superseded by relativity for high-speed and high-gravity phenomena.

Similarly, relativity may one day be subsumed into a deeper, unified
theory (e.g., quantum gravity) that explains both macroscopic and
microscopic phenomena.

Final Thoughts
Relativity has been extraordinarily successful in describing macroscopic
phenomena but lacks the tools to address the quantum nature of energy,
time, and space. This incompleteness doesn’t undermine its validity but
highlights the need for further scientific progress.

Your critique underscores the importance of pursuing a unified framework
that bridges the macroscopic elegance of relativity with the microscopic
precision of quantum mechanics—a challenge that lies at the forefront of
modern physics.

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All of the above was a final reply after my questions:


QUESTION 1: This is about general relativity and Cesium-133 atomic
clocks. It's well known that "The second is the duration of 9192631770
periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two
hyperfine levels of the ground state of the Cesium-133 atom.". Such
hyperfine transition generates a microwave photon per atom, which is
said to be altered with gravity. On a GPS satellite, the change in
frequency with respect to the geoid is about 10^-10, which HAS TO be
related to changes in the energy levels of the two hyperfine states.
Then, it would imply that gravity changes the atomic structure of CS-133
atoms, making them "smaller" (narrowing the gap between hyperfine
states). How come this influence of gravity on atomic structure has not
received enough publicity?


QUESTION 2: The "perceived" gravitational time dilation in
electromagnetic energy was proposed by Einstein in 1911, when NOBODY
knew about the atomic structure and, even less, the existence of
hyperfine states in atoms or what was a microwave. All the known
proposals are derived, basically, from the Schwarzschild-Hilbert
solution to the 1915 GR equation for an universe void of matter and
energy, except for one point-like, non rotating mass at the origin. Why
such view of gravitational time dilation has not matured in 100 years,
if it's real, and why there is no theories that relate gravity with the
quantum world?

QUESTION 3: So, there is a physical limit in the depth at which
relativity start to fail, say 10^-10 meters? Beneath such depth
relativity fail to provide answers then?

QUESTION 4: IF relativity is a true science, even when working at
macroscopic level, it should explain (after 100 years) that the
electromagnetic energy is ONLY originated in transitions from higher to
lower energy states IN EVERY ATOM. The failure of relativity to relate
the way in that energy is emitted or absorbed in quantas of energy and
how EM energy travels as waves is inexcusable. Planck, in his 1900
paper, had it more clear than relativists: "Energy travel as waves and
is emitted or absorbed as "particles". And this statement was made 15
years before GR.

[rhertz]

Curiously, ChatGPT is trained to give a lot of excuses for the fact that
relativity (any) breaks down at depths lower than 10^-09 m (1 nm), but
it's also trained to validate GR up to the limit of the visible universe
(about 13.5 bly classical radius or 46 bly relativistic radius).

It represents a domain of applicability with a ratio of upper and lower
limits of 5 x 10^35. Cosmologists apply time dilation formulae to
galaxies 10 bly far away, which are captured as a few pixels with Hubble
Ultra Deep Field resolution, which takes almost 11 days to collect
photons for a 16 pixels pic, and still use it to gather information
about speed of recession, speculate about shape, etc.


But not a single relativist can explain the behavior of two atoms (like
Ag) that act as emitter and receiver of photons in the visible range,
separated by a distance of 1 mm, for example.

Like the phenomenon of sonoluminescence, in which atoms in water are
excited by sound waves and generate blobs of high luminescence and
extreme temperature, within a glass container.

The physics behind how sound waves are transformed into light in the
blue-violet part of the spectrum is not understood, even when it was
discovered almost 90 years ago.

Not to mention if TIME, as known in the macroworld, apply equally in the
quantum world. Or what the speed of light really is in the atomic and
subatomic realm.

[Paul.B.Andersen]

Post by rhertz
Curiously, ChatGPT is trained to give a lot of excuses for the fact that
relativity (any) breaks down at depths lower than 10^-09 m (1 nm), but
it's also trained to validate GR up to the limit of the visible universe
(about 13.5 bly classical radius or 46 bly relativistic radius).

Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) is based on SR, not NM.
SR doesn't break down at depths lower than 10^-09 m

Post by rhertz
It represents a domain of applicability with a ratio of upper and lower
limits of 5 x 10^35. Cosmologists apply time dilation formulae to
galaxies 10 bly far away, which are captured as a few pixels with Hubble
Ultra Deep Field resolution, which takes almost 11 days to collect
photons for a 16 pixels pic, and still use it to gather information
about speed of recession, speculate about shape, etc.

You have claimed that we can do without relativity (SR and GR)
because Newtonian mechanics can correctly predict everything
that SR/GR can predict.
(If the predictions are different, you claim NM is right.)


Can NM "explain" any of the phenomena listed below?

Do you think it is a weakness of SR that it can't "explain"
these phenomena?

Post by rhertz
But not a single relativist can explain the behavior of two atoms (like
Ag) that act as emitter and receiver of photons in the visible range,
separated by a distance of 1 mm, for example.

Since all physicists accept SR and GR as valid theories, you are
claiming that no physicist can "explain" the above.
That's wrong.
This is about interaction photon - electron,
and can be "explained" by QED. (Based on SR, not NM)
(That doesn't necessarily mean that someone has done it, though.)

Post by rhertz
Like the phenomenon of sonoluminescence, in which atoms in water are
excited by sound waves and generate blobs of high luminescence and
extreme temperature, within a glass container.
The physics behind how sound waves are transformed into light in the
blue-violet part of the spectrum is not understood, even when it was
discovered almost 90 years ago.
Not to mention if TIME, as known in the macroworld, apply equally in the
quantum world. Or what the speed of light really is in the atomic and
subatomic realm.

Remember that in current physics, "photon" is defined in QED.
Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) is based on SR.
So TIME is the same in the quantum world as in SR.
And the speed of light is invariant c in the atomic realm.

[rhertz]

Post by Paul.B.Andersen

Post by rhertz
Curiously, ChatGPT is trained to give a lot of excuses for the fact that
relativity (any) breaks down at depths lower than 10^-09 m (1 nm), but
it's also trained to validate GR up to the limit of the visible universe
(about 13.5 bly classical radius or 46 bly relativistic radius).

Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) is based on SR, not NM.
SR doesn't break down at depths lower than 10^-09 m

Post by rhertz
It represents a domain of applicability with a ratio of upper and lower
limits of 5 x 10^35. Cosmologists apply time dilation formulae to
galaxies 10 bly far away, which are captured as a few pixels with Hubble
Ultra Deep Field resolution, which takes almost 11 days to collect
photons for a 16 pixels pic, and still use it to gather information
about speed of recession, speculate about shape, etc.

You have claimed that we can do without relativity (SR and GR)
because Newtonian mechanics can correctly predict everything
that SR/GR can predict.
(If the predictions are different, you claim NM is right.)
Can NM "explain" any of the phenomena listed below?
Do you think it is a weakness of SR that it can't "explain"
these phenomena?

Post by rhertz
But not a single relativist can explain the behavior of two atoms (like
Ag) that act as emitter and receiver of photons in the visible range,
separated by a distance of 1 mm, for example.

Since all physicists accept SR and GR as valid theories, you are
claiming that no physicist can "explain" the above.
That's wrong.
This is about interaction photon - electron,
and can be "explained" by QED. (Based on SR, not NM)
(That doesn't necessarily mean that someone has done it, though.)

Post by rhertz
Like the phenomenon of sonoluminescence, in which atoms in water are
excited by sound waves and generate blobs of high luminescence and
extreme temperature, within a glass container.
The physics behind how sound waves are transformed into light in the
blue-violet part of the spectrum is not understood, even when it was
discovered almost 90 years ago.
Not to mention if TIME, as known in the macroworld, apply equally in the
quantum world. Or what the speed of light really is in the atomic and
subatomic realm.

Remember that in current physics, "photon" is defined in QED.
Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) is based on SR.
So TIME is the same in the quantum world as in SR.
And the speed of light is invariant c in the atomic realm.

Explanations about QED being based on SR have the same value as
explanations about Sagnac effect based on SR, as desperate relativists
try to find alternate explanations of a simple non-relativistic
phenomenon.

Your comment about that QED is based on SR because Dirac's equation of
for electrons incorporates SR at velocities near c is far from true.
Dirac QF theory (1928) came after Heisenberg (1925) matrix QM and
Schrödinger (1926) wave QM. Both theories, HIGHLY relevant even today,
ARE NOT RELATIVISTIC AT ALL.

Previous efforts (1913-1925) to find theories to explain the behavior of
H atoms were based in Newtonian celestial mechanics, with electrons
performing elliptic orbits around the nucleus (hence the universal
symbol of the atom). ALL the physicists of that period (Bohr,
Sommerfeld, Born, etc.) were dedicated to enhance the original 1913
Bohr's model. In 1925, Max Born finished his book about this theory
(250+ pages), just to throw it away in the same year when the young and
disturbed Heisenberg came with his Matrix Mechanics theory, under the
guidance of Bohr (even when he was a Born's protégée). NO RELATIVITY
HERE.

In 1926, and out of the blue, came Schrödinger with his NON RELATIVISTIC
wave theory, which captured the imagination of most physicists, Dirac
included (due to the poor formation of most of them with matrix theory).
Born changed the interpretation of the distribution of energy amplitudes
for orbital electrons from DETERMINISTIC to PROBABILISTIC, which defined
QM SINCE THEN as a statistical theory (opening the door to a lot of
weird results).

Dirac was triggered by many deficiencies of QM, in particular the
impossibility to explain the creation and absorption of photons by
atoms, and started to work in an extension of Schrödinger equation TO
INCLUDE SPECIAL RELATIVITY, for uses at electron speeds close to c,
which he obtained in 1928. After that achievement, Dirac started to
develop a theory based on fields, not waves (QFT), in which photons
appeared and disappeared in his fields, without the need of atoms (which
led to the development of the Cassimir effect).

Dirac equation for electrons was so complex that only could be used in H
atoms. His QFT was also so complex that it was buried in history until
WWII finished and Feynman, Schwinger, and Shinichirō created the basis
of QED (1947).

QED is a theory that provided very few practical results, because it was
plagued by inconsistencies and contradictions (like infinities, the need
of "virtual photons" that didn't verify Planck's E=hf, lack of domains
of applicability, etc.). Even when Feyman's diagrams provided a graphic
means for calculations of interactions between charged particles and
photons, QED was widely known as the "SHUT UP AND CALCULATE" theory. The
enormous amount of defects of QED was buried by FORGED/FORCED results
thanks to the CRAP of virtual photons (what?). They didn't exist at all,
but being taken as "carrier forces", allowed some crappy explanations
about forces between electrons and nuclei and within atoms nuclei.

The myriad of short lived particles that started to emerge from
accelerators found in QED the necessary ground TO INVENT INTERACTIONS.
The final result, after 15 years, was the "unproven existence" of
hundred of quasi-particles, which made almost EVERYONE be crazy about
how to put order in such scenario.

By 1962, entered Gell-Man in the scenario of elementary particles. He
started to clean up the garbage of hundred of pseudo-particles, and
began to design the framework of the STANDARD MODEL OF ELEMENTARY
PARTICLES, which has resisted the reviews of the last 60 years. QED?
R.I.P.

For EVERY QED affirmation about WHATEVER, there are several NON-QED, NON
RELATIVISTIC THEORIES that bring the same result. Yet, QED is hailed by
relativists AS THE MOST PRECISE THEORY OF PHYSICS THAT EVER EXISTED.


Not going to continue with this post, because it doesn't worth it.

I only post here a link ABOUT THE VALUE OF RESULTS OF QED. There are
HUNDRED of them:


Does QED have any real-world applications?

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/does-qed-have-any-real-world-applications.559356/

Relativists are willing to KILL to impose relativity as the only valid
theory.

PHYSICS DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL AT QUANTUM LEVEL. THE AMOUNT OF
INCONSISTENCIES, CONTRADICTIONS AND PLAIN LIES IS OVERWHELMING. But they
own publishing houses, media, academia and gov.

[Paul.B.Andersen]

Post by rhertz

Post by Paul.B.Andersen
Remember that in current physics, "photon" is defined in QED.
Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) is based on SR.
So TIME is the same in the quantum world as in SR.
And the speed of light is invariant c in the atomic realm.

Explanations about QED being based on SR have the same value as
explanations about Sagnac effect based on SR, as desperate relativists
try to find alternate explanations of a simple non-relativistic
phenomenon.
Your comment about that QED is based on SR because Dirac's equation of
for electrons incorporates SR at velocities near c is far from true.
Dirac QF theory (1928) came after Heisenberg (1925) matrix QM and
Schrödinger (1926) wave QM. Both theories, HIGHLY relevant even today,
ARE NOT RELATIVISTIC AT ALL.
Previous efforts (1913-1925) to find theories to explain the behavior of
H atoms were based in Newtonian celestial mechanics, with electrons
performing elliptic orbits around the nucleus (hence the universal
symbol of the atom). ALL the physicists of that period (Bohr,
Sommerfeld, Born, etc.) were dedicated to enhance the original 1913
Bohr's model. In 1925, Max Born finished his book about this theory
(250+ pages), just to throw it away in the same year when the young and
disturbed Heisenberg came with his Matrix Mechanics theory, under the
guidance of Bohr (even when he was a Born's protégée). NO RELATIVITY
HERE.
In 1926, and out of the blue, came Schrödinger with his NON RELATIVISTIC
wave theory, which captured the imagination of most physicists, Dirac
included (due to the poor formation of most of them with matrix theory).
Born changed the interpretation of the distribution of energy amplitudes
for orbital electrons from DETERMINISTIC to PROBABILISTIC, which defined
QM SINCE THEN as a statistical theory (opening the door to a lot of
weird results).
Dirac was triggered by many deficiencies of QM, in particular the
impossibility to explain the creation and absorption of photons by
atoms, and started to work in an extension of Schrödinger equation TO
INCLUDE SPECIAL RELATIVITY, for uses at electron speeds close to c,
which he obtained in 1928. After that achievement, Dirac started to
develop a theory based on fields, not waves (QFT), in which photons
appeared and disappeared in his fields, without the need of atoms (which
led to the development of the Cassimir effect).
Dirac equation for electrons was so complex that only could be used in H
atoms. His QFT was also so complex that it was buried in history until
WWII finished and Feynman, Schwinger, and Shinichirō created the basis
of QED (1947).
QED is a theory that provided very few practical results, because it was
plagued by inconsistencies and contradictions (like infinities, the need
of "virtual photons" that didn't verify Planck's E=hf, lack of domains
of applicability, etc.). Even when Feyman's diagrams provided a graphic
means for calculations of interactions between charged particles and
photons, QED was widely known as the "SHUT UP AND CALCULATE" theory. The
enormous amount of defects of QED was buried by FORGED/FORCED results
thanks to the CRAP of virtual photons (what?). They didn't exist at all,
but being taken as "carrier forces", allowed some crappy explanations
about forces between electrons and nuclei and within atoms nuclei.
The myriad of short lived particles that started to emerge from
accelerators found in QED the necessary ground TO INVENT INTERACTIONS.
The final result, after 15 years, was the "unproven existence" of
hundred of quasi-particles, which made almost EVERYONE be crazy about
how to put order in such scenario.
By 1962, entered Gell-Man in the scenario of elementary particles. He
started to clean up the garbage of hundred of pseudo-particles, and
began to design the framework of the STANDARD MODEL OF ELEMENTARY
PARTICLES, which has resisted the reviews of the last 60 years. QED?
R.I.P.
For EVERY QED affirmation about WHATEVER, there are several NON-QED, NON
RELATIVISTIC THEORIES that bring the same result. Yet, QED is hailed by
relativists AS THE MOST PRECISE THEORY OF PHYSICS THAT EVER EXISTED.
Not going to continue with this post, because it doesn't worth it.
I only post here a link ABOUT THE VALUE OF RESULTS OF QED. There are
Does QED have any real-world applications?
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/does-qed-have-any-real-world-
applications.559356/
Relativists are willing to KILL to impose relativity as the only valid
theory.
PHYSICS DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL AT QUANTUM LEVEL. THE AMOUNT OF
INCONSISTENCIES, CONTRADICTIONS AND PLAIN LIES IS OVERWHELMING. But they
own publishing houses, media, academia and gov.

Whenever you say "relativists" you could have said "physicist" because
all (or the overwhelming majority of) physicists are accepting SR and GR
as the only valid theories within their domain, and are considering QED
as the best experimentally confirmed theory of physics.

So your only argument is that all physicists are members
of a MAFFIA, and profit from it. This is because the different
results are COOKED with the help of statistical manipulations,
fraud, cooking and peer complicity.

We leave it at that. :-D

[Maciej Wozniak]

Post by Paul.B.Andersen
Whenever you say "relativists" you could have said "physicist" because
all (or the overwhelming majority of) physicists are accepting SR and GR

No, poor halfbrain, "physicists" and "relativists"
are not quite the same - sure, physicists are
following The Shit, but some other halfbrains do
as well, including yourself.

Post by Paul.B.Andersen
as the only valid theories within their domain, and are considering QED
as the best experimentally confirmed theory of physics.
So your only argument is that all physicists are members
of a MAFFIA, and profit from it.

Of course, it's no way true! Physicists are all
living saints only interested in serving the
society! No profit, nonononononono!!!!!

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by Paul.B.Andersen

Post by rhertz

Post by Paul.B.Andersen
Remember that in current physics, "photon" is defined in QED.
Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) is based on SR.
So TIME is the same in the quantum world as in SR.
And the speed of light is invariant c in the atomic realm.

Explanations about QED being based on SR have the same value as
explanations about Sagnac effect based on SR, as desperate relativists
try to find alternate explanations of a simple non-relativistic
phenomenon.
Your comment about that QED is based on SR because Dirac's equation of
for electrons incorporates SR at velocities near c is far from true.
Dirac QF theory (1928) came after Heisenberg (1925) matrix QM and
Schrödinger (1926) wave QM. Both theories, HIGHLY relevant even today,
ARE NOT RELATIVISTIC AT ALL.
Previous efforts (1913-1925) to find theories to explain the behavior of
H atoms were based in Newtonian celestial mechanics, with electrons
performing elliptic orbits around the nucleus (hence the universal
symbol of the atom). ALL the physicists of that period (Bohr,
Sommerfeld, Born, etc.) were dedicated to enhance the original 1913
Bohr's model. In 1925, Max Born finished his book about this theory
(250+ pages), just to throw it away in the same year when the young and
disturbed Heisenberg came with his Matrix Mechanics theory, under the
guidance of Bohr (even when he was a Born's protégée). NO RELATIVITY
HERE.
In 1926, and out of the blue, came Schrödinger with his NON RELATIVISTIC
wave theory, which captured the imagination of most physicists, Dirac
included (due to the poor formation of most of them with matrix theory).
Born changed the interpretation of the distribution of energy amplitudes
for orbital electrons from DETERMINISTIC to PROBABILISTIC, which defined
QM SINCE THEN as a statistical theory (opening the door to a lot of
weird results).
Dirac was triggered by many deficiencies of QM, in particular the
impossibility to explain the creation and absorption of photons by
atoms, and started to work in an extension of Schrödinger equation TO
INCLUDE SPECIAL RELATIVITY, for uses at electron speeds close to c,
which he obtained in 1928. After that achievement, Dirac started to
develop a theory based on fields, not waves (QFT), in which photons
appeared and disappeared in his fields, without the need of atoms (which
led to the development of the Cassimir effect).
Dirac equation for electrons was so complex that only could be used in H
atoms. His QFT was also so complex that it was buried in history until
WWII finished and Feynman, Schwinger, and Shinichir? created the basis
of QED (1947).
QED is a theory that provided very few practical results, because it was
plagued by inconsistencies and contradictions (like infinities, the need
of "virtual photons" that didn't verify Planck's E=hf, lack of domains
of applicability, etc.). Even when Feyman's diagrams provided a graphic
means for calculations of interactions between charged particles and
photons, QED was widely known as the "SHUT UP AND CALCULATE" theory. The
enormous amount of defects of QED was buried by FORGED/FORCED results
thanks to the CRAP of virtual photons (what?). They didn't exist at all,
but being taken as "carrier forces", allowed some crappy explanations
about forces between electrons and nuclei and within atoms nuclei.
The myriad of short lived particles that started to emerge from
accelerators found in QED the necessary ground TO INVENT INTERACTIONS.
The final result, after 15 years, was the "unproven existence" of
hundred of quasi-particles, which made almost EVERYONE be crazy about
how to put order in such scenario.
By 1962, entered Gell-Man in the scenario of elementary particles. He
started to clean up the garbage of hundred of pseudo-particles, and
began to design the framework of the STANDARD MODEL OF ELEMENTARY
PARTICLES, which has resisted the reviews of the last 60 years. QED?
R.I.P.
For EVERY QED affirmation about WHATEVER, there are several NON-QED, NON
RELATIVISTIC THEORIES that bring the same result. Yet, QED is hailed by
relativists AS THE MOST PRECISE THEORY OF PHYSICS THAT EVER EXISTED.
Not going to continue with this post, because it doesn't worth it.
I only post here a link ABOUT THE VALUE OF RESULTS OF QED. There are
Does QED have any real-world applications?
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/does-qed-have-any-real-world-
applications.559356/
Relativists are willing to KILL to impose relativity as the only valid
theory.
PHYSICS DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL AT QUANTUM LEVEL. THE AMOUNT OF
INCONSISTENCIES, CONTRADICTIONS AND PLAIN LIES IS OVERWHELMING. But they
own publishing houses, media, academia and gov.

Whenever you say "relativists" you could have said "physicist" because
all (or the overwhelming majority of) physicists are accepting SR and GR
as the only valid theories within their domain, and are considering QED
as the best experimentally confirmed theory of physics.
So your only argument is that all physicists are members
of a MAFFIA, and profit from it. This is because the different
results are COOKED with the help of statistical manipulations,
fraud, cooking and peer complicity.
We leave it at that. :-D

Unfortunately the cooking skills are not quite perfect.
After a great many years they still have not succeeded
in cooking the muon g-factor into agreement.

Oh, wait, that's of course only because there are competing MAFFIAs,
each of them SEEKING for FALSE EXCUSES for getting GRANT MONEY !!!,

Jan

[Bertietaylor]

Ask chat to invent a new rowing method

[rhertz]

I just tried DeepSeek with the same question that I did to ChatGPT:

QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?

Even when Deepseek is fed with information available through Internet,
the differences with ChatGPT were shocking.




Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.

Quantum effects are much more relevant than relativistic effects and,
for this, SR is not relevant at quantum level in the majority of cases.
According to DeepSeek, SR is useful only with heavier atoms due to the
"allegations" that low level electrons orbit at speed closer to c in
heavier atoms (gold, lead,..). Hyperfine states are more accurate
defined using Dirac instead of Schrodinger QM.

When I questioned it how physics managed "statistical orbitals" to apply
relativity, being that in QM electrons don't have a neat, well-defined
orbitals and that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle collided with the
pseudo-classic SR,
DeepSeek crashed and asked me to try again later, as the servers were
busy.



Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.

Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.


I left the chat with the impression that DeepSeek is much less BIASED
about the influence of relativity in the quantum world than ChatGPT
(Altman) engine.


It's a refreshing feeling to learn that Chinese are MUCH LESS CRAZY
about relativity than Western science, even when AI engines access to
the same reservoir of information.

I noticed that DeepSeek don't glorify Einstein and relativity, but don't
deny it as a theory. Only uses examples of its applications IN A
RATIONAL WAY. Relativity seems to be a marginal theory for Chinese,
which only have rational applications on the limits of time and space,
when velocities are close to c.

I only maintained a 5 minutes session, but it's promising.

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by rhertz
QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?
Even when Deepseek is fed with information available through Internet,
the differences with ChatGPT were shocking.
Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.

Correct, to lowest order.

Post by rhertz
Quantum effects are much more relevant than relativistic effects and,
for this, SR is not relevant at quantum level in the majority of cases.

Correct again,
relativity enters only when you need to consider the fine-structure.
(and hyperfine structure)
Spin can be handled by Pauli. (to lowest order)
You don't solve it all in one go from first principles.
(corrections in orders of v/c or \alpha are done successively)

Post by rhertz
According to DeepSeek, SR is useful only with heavier atoms due to the
"allegations" that low level electrons orbit at speed closer to c in
heavier atoms (gold, lead,..). Hyperfine states are more accurate
defined using Dirac instead of Schrodinger QM.

Correct again. No allegiations about it.

Post by rhertz
When I questioned it how physics managed "statistical orbitals" to apply
relativity, being that in QM electrons don't have a neat, well-defined
orbitals and that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle collided with the
pseudo-classic SR,
DeepSeek crashed and asked me to try again later, as the servers were
busy.

Not surprising.

Post by rhertz
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

Post by rhertz
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Correct again.

Post by rhertz
I left the chat with the impression that DeepSeek is much less BIASED
about the influence of relativity in the quantum world than ChatGPT
(Altman) engine.
It's a refreshing feeling to learn that Chinese are MUCH LESS CRAZY
about relativity than Western science, even when AI engines access to
the same reservoir of information.

Indeed, it is far more clever about it than you are.

Post by rhertz
I noticed that DeepSeek don't glorify Einstein and relativity, but don't
deny it as a theory.

Good for it. The atom was Bohr's at first, and later Schroedinger's.
And anyway, this whole concept of 'glorificating' in science
exists mostly in your perverted mental hang-ups.

Post by rhertz
Only uses examples of its applications IN A
RATIONAL WAY. Relativity seems to be a marginal theory for Chinese,
which only have rational applications on the limits of time and space,
when velocities are close to c.
I only maintained a 5 minutes session, but it's promising.

Indeed, for an AI,

Jan

[Tom Roberts]

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by rhertz
QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?
Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.

Correct, to lowest order.

Well, sort of (see below).

Post by J. J. Lodder
Spin can be handled by Pauli. (to lowest order)

Not really. The math of spin is the irreducible representations of the
Lorentz group -- that's inherently SR.

Tom Roberts

[Maciej Wozniak]

Post by Tom Roberts

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by rhertz
QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?
Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.

Correct, to lowest order.

Well, sort of (see below).

Post by J. J. Lodder
Spin can be handled by Pauli. (to lowest order)

Not really. The math of spin is the irreducible representations of the
Lorentz group -- that's inherently SR.

Speaking of math, it's always good to remind
that your bunch of idiots had to announce its oldest, very
important and successful part false, as it didn't want to
cooperate with your madness.

Post by Tom Roberts
Tom Roberts

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by Tom Roberts

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by rhertz
QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?
Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.

Correct, to lowest order.

Well, sort of (see below).

Post by J. J. Lodder
Spin can be handled by Pauli. (to lowest order)

Not really. The math of spin is the irreducible representations of the
Lorentz group -- that's inherently SR.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_equation>

You think that this needs a rewrite?

Jan

[Tom Roberts]

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by Tom Roberts

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by rhertz
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.

Correct, to lowest order.

Well, sort of (see below).

Post by J. J. Lodder
Spin can be handled by Pauli. (to lowest order)

Not really. The math of spin is the irreducible representations of the
Lorentz group -- that's inherently SR.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_equation>
You think that this needs a rewrite?

Not really, because it does not claim that relativity is not needed.

That page simply presents the Pauli matrices (etc.) without explanation.
That explanation, if given, would inherently involve SR, the notion that
all physical laws are Lorentz invariant, and spins are described by the
irreducible representations of the Lorentz group. Some links on that
page refer to discussions of spin, including its relationship to SR.

Tom Roberts

[Maciej Wozniak]

Post by Tom Roberts

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by Tom Roberts

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by rhertz
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.

Correct, to lowest order.

Well, sort of (see below).

Post by J. J. Lodder
Spin can be handled by Pauli. (to lowest order)

Not really. The math of spin is the irreducible representations of the
Lorentz group -- that's inherently SR.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_equation>
You think that this needs a rewrite?

Not really, because it does not claim that relativity is not needed.
That page simply presents the Pauli matrices (etc.) without explanation.
That explanation, if given, would inherently involve SR, the notion that
all physical laws are Lorentz invariant, and spins are described by the
irreducible representations of the Lorentz group. Some links on that
page refer to discussions of spin, including its relationship to SR.
Tom Roberts

And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden
by idiots like you improper clocks keep measuring
improper t'=t in improper seconds.

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by Tom Roberts

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by Tom Roberts

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by rhertz
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.

Correct, to lowest order.

Well, sort of (see below).

Post by J. J. Lodder
Spin can be handled by Pauli. (to lowest order)

Not really. The math of spin is the irreducible representations of the
Lorentz group -- that's inherently SR.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_equation>
You think that this needs a rewrite?

Not really, because it does not claim that relativity is not needed.
That page simply presents the Pauli matrices (etc.) without explanation.
That explanation, if given, would inherently involve SR, the notion that
all physical laws are Lorentz invariant, and spins are described by the
irreducible representations of the Lorentz group. Some links on that
page refer to discussions of spin, including its relationship to SR.

There is no need to. The Pauli equation just is,
and it does predict the correct atomic spectra,
to the order to which it is valid.
(with some care!)

On a historical note, you might remember
that the relativistic Dirac equation (1928) is a development
of Pauli's non-relativistic equation for electrons with spin,
(1924-1927) not the other way round.
Wikipedia is correct about it,

Jan

[Bertietaylor]

Feed DeepSeek with Arindam's essay on the cause of gravity and get its
opinion.
Looks like the Chinese have internalised Arindam's physics without
acknowledgment.
They will run rings around the stupid Americans stuck with e=mcc.

Woof woof woof woof woof woof woof

Bertietaylor

[Thomas Heger]

Post by rhertz
QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?
Even when Deepseek is fed with information available through Internet,
the differences with ChatGPT were shocking.
Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.
Quantum effects are much more relevant than relativistic effects and,
for this, SR is not relevant at quantum level in the majority of cases.
According to DeepSeek, SR is useful only with heavier atoms due to the
"allegations" that low level electrons orbit at speed closer to c in
heavier atoms (gold, lead,..). Hyperfine states are more accurate
defined using Dirac instead of Schrodinger QM.
When I questioned it how physics managed "statistical orbitals" to apply
relativity, being that in QM electrons don't have a neat, well-defined
orbitals and that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle collided with the
pseudo-classic SR,
DeepSeek crashed and asked me to try again later, as the servers were
busy.
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Well, how about my own idea?

It isn't that new anymore, but aims to fill that gap and base particles
on spacetime of GR.

The concept is therefore called 'stractured spacetime', where 'timelike
stable patterns' are, what we call 'matter'.


See my 'book' about this idea:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

Relativistic effects are in this concept not related to velocity but to
acceleration.

IOW: you could create matter out of nothing, by acceleration of spacetime.

This should be observable in some cases as 'Growing Earth' or 'magic dust'.

Also the opposite could be possible, where matter disapears without a trace.

...


TH

[Python]

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by rhertz
QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?
Even when Deepseek is fed with information available through Internet,
the differences with ChatGPT were shocking.
Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.
Quantum effects are much more relevant than relativistic effects and,
for this, SR is not relevant at quantum level in the majority of cases.
According to DeepSeek, SR is useful only with heavier atoms due to the
"allegations" that low level electrons orbit at speed closer to c in
heavier atoms (gold, lead,..). Hyperfine states are more accurate
defined using Dirac instead of Schrodinger QM.
When I questioned it how physics managed "statistical orbitals" to apply
relativity, being that in QM electrons don't have a neat, well-defined
orbitals and that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle collided with the
pseudo-classic SR,
DeepSeek crashed and asked me to try again later, as the servers were
busy.
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Well, how about my own idea?

No one give a sh*t.

Post by Thomas Heger
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

It's a bunch of nonsensical bullsh*t.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Python
It's a bunch of nonsensical bullsh*t.

Oh, you don't want to say the word "shit"? Mom doesn't like it?

[Maciej Wozniak]

Post by Python

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by rhertz
QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?
Even when Deepseek is fed with information available through Internet,
the differences with ChatGPT were shocking.
Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.
Quantum effects are much more relevant than relativistic effects and,
for this, SR is not relevant at quantum level in the majority of cases.
According to DeepSeek, SR is useful only with heavier atoms due to the
"allegations" that low level electrons orbit at speed closer to c in
heavier atoms (gold, lead,..). Hyperfine states are more accurate
defined using Dirac instead of Schrodinger QM.
When I questioned it how physics managed "statistical orbitals" to apply
relativity, being that in QM electrons don't have a neat, well-defined
orbitals and that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle collided with the
pseudo-classic SR,
DeepSeek crashed and asked me to try again later, as the servers were
busy.
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Well, how about my own idea?

No one give a sh*t.

Post by Thomas Heger
https://docs.google.com/presentation/
d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

It's a bunch of nonsensical bullsh*t.

But whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
would be, and he has written it clearly
enough for anyone able to read (even if not
clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

[Bertietaylor]

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by rhertz
QUESTION: Does relativity breaks down at atomic level?
Even when Deepseek is fed with information available through Internet,
the differences with ChatGPT were shocking.
Regarding Special Relativity, DeepSeek agreed that non-relativistic
quantum mechanics is MUCH MORE RELEVANT than the Dirac's model.
Schrodinger's theory reigns in most cases and is much more simple to use
than Dirac's.
Quantum effects are much more relevant than relativistic effects and,
for this, SR is not relevant at quantum level in the majority of cases.
According to DeepSeek, SR is useful only with heavier atoms due to the
"allegations" that low level electrons orbit at speed closer to c in
heavier atoms (gold, lead,..). Hyperfine states are more accurate
defined using Dirac instead of Schrodinger QM.
When I questioned it how physics managed "statistical orbitals" to apply
relativity, being that in QM electrons don't have a neat, well-defined
orbitals and that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle collided with the
pseudo-classic SR,
DeepSeek crashed and asked me to try again later, as the servers were
busy.
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Well, how about my own idea?
It isn't that new anymore, but aims to fill that gap and base particles
on spacetime of GR.

Just forget the depravity of all relativity.

Post by Thomas Heger
The concept is therefore called 'stractured spacetime', where 'timelike
stable patterns' are, what we call 'matter'.

Matter is charge - electrons orbiting protons or getting stuck to
protons.

Post by Thomas Heger
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing
Relativistic effects are in this concept not related to velocity but to
acceleration.

Relativistic effects occur from Earth's movement in space.

Post by Thomas Heger
IOW: you could create matter out of nothing, by acceleration of
spacetime.

Protons and electrons come from aether and vanish into aether. The most
striking demonstration is growth from life internal forces; cell
splitting into two.

Post by Thomas Heger
This should be observable in some cases as 'Growing Earth' or 'magic dust'.

See any cell split. how matter appears.
We come from aether. We return to aether.

Post by Thomas Heger
Also the opposite could be possible, where matter disapears without a trace.
...
TH

[Thomas Heger]

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by rhertz
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Well, how about my own idea?
It isn't that new anymore, but aims to fill that gap and base particles
on spacetime of GR.

Just forget the depravity of all relativity.

Post by Thomas Heger
The concept is therefore called 'stractured spacetime', where 'timelike
stable patterns' are, what we call 'matter'.

Matter is charge - electrons orbiting protons or getting stuck to
protons.

This is 'materialism' (also known as 'particle concept').

I wanted to prove, that matter is actually not materialistic, but is
build from imaterial 'structures'.

As 'proof of concept' I used 'Growing Earth'.

This goes like this:

if the Earth would grow from within, we can be certain, that the
particle concept must be wrong, because there can't be enough particles
inside of this planet to make it grow from within.

But if matter is actually 'relative', the Earth could grow, we could use
'spacetime of GR' as replacement for 'aether' and all are happy.

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger
https://docs.google.com/presentation/
d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing
Relativistic effects are in this concept not related to velocity but to
acceleration.

Relativistic effects occur from Earth's movement in space.

Well, no!

'Space' has a different role in my concept.

It is is actually based on complex numbers (complex valued four vectors)
and an imaginary axis of time, which multiplied by i gives the three
real valued axes of space.

So: the term 'space' is depending on the axis of time, because a
multiplication by i means (kind of) 90° rotation.

Now this has only a relevance, if you would rotate the axis of time a
bit, because in this case a new space would pop out of nowhere, which is
filled with matter never seen before.

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger
IOW: you could create matter out of nothing, by acceleration of
spacetime.

Protons and electrons come from aether and vanish into aether. The most
striking demonstration is growth from life internal forces; cell
splitting into two.

Post by Thomas Heger
This should be observable in some cases as 'Growing Earth' or 'magic dust'.

See any cell split. how matter appears.
We come from aether. We return to aether.

Kind of...



TH

[Bertietaylor]

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by rhertz
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Well, how about my own idea?
It isn't that new anymore, but aims to fill that gap and base particles
on spacetime of GR.

Just forget the depravity of all relativity.

Post by Thomas Heger
The concept is therefore called 'stractured spacetime', where 'timelike
stable patterns' are, what we call 'matter'.

Matter is charge - electrons orbiting protons or getting stuck to
protons.

This is 'materialism' (also known as 'particle concept').

Not necessarily. Charges are force generating entities composed from
aether. We are all composed of charges moving through infinitely fine
aether in an infinite universe. Dreamy but explains all.

Post by Thomas Heger
I wanted to prove, that matter is actually not materialistic, but is
build from imaterial 'structures'.

Charge is built from aether, a material solid.

Post by Thomas Heger
As 'proof of concept' I used 'Growing Earth'.
if the Earth would grow from within, we can be certain, that the
particle concept must be wrong, because there can't be enough particles
inside of this planet to make it grow from within.

Well a charge can be approximated as a particle for kinetic effects.

Post by Thomas Heger
But if matter is actually 'relative', the Earth could grow, we could use
'spacetime of GR' as replacement for 'aether' and all are happy.

Just throw out all the wrong, stupid, evil, vile, ridiculous, shameless
and unscientific SR and GR shit.

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger
https://docs.google.com/presentation/
d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing
Relativistic effects are in this concept not related to velocity but to
acceleration.

Relativistic effects occur from Earth's movement in space.

Well, no!
'Space' has a different role in my concept.
It is is actually based on complex numbers (complex valued four vectors)
and an imaginary axis of time, which multiplied by i gives the three
real valued axes of space.
So: the term 'space' is depending on the axis of time, because a
multiplication by i means (kind of) 90° rotation.
Now this has only a relevance, if you would rotate the axis of time a
bit, because in this case a new space would pop out of nowhere, which is
filled with matter never seen before.

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger
IOW: you could create matter out of nothing, by acceleration of
spacetime.

Protons and electrons come from aether and vanish into aether. The most
striking demonstration is growth from life internal forces; cell
splitting into two.

Post by Thomas Heger
This should be observable in some cases as 'Growing Earth' or 'magic dust'.

See any cell split. how matter appears.
We come from aether. We return to aether.

Kind of...
TH

[Thomas Heger]

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by rhertz
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Well, how about my own idea?
It isn't that new anymore, but aims to fill that gap and base particles
on spacetime of GR.

Just forget the depravity of all relativity.

Post by Thomas Heger
The concept is therefore called 'stractured spacetime', where 'timelike
stable patterns' are, what we call 'matter'.

Matter is charge - electrons orbiting protons or getting stuck to
protons.

This is 'materialism' (also known as 'particle concept').

Not necessarily. Charges are force generating entities composed from
aether. We are all composed of charges moving through infinitely fine
aether in an infinite universe. Dreamy but explains all.

Post by Thomas Heger
I wanted to prove, that matter is actually not materialistic, but is
build from imaterial 'structures'.

Charge is built from aether, a material solid.

Post by Thomas Heger
As 'proof of concept' I used 'Growing Earth'.
if the Earth would grow from within, we can be certain, that the
particle concept must be wrong, because there can't be enough particles
inside of this planet to make it grow from within.

Well a charge can be approximated as a particle for kinetic effects.

Post by Thomas Heger
But if matter is actually 'relative', the Earth could grow, we could use
'spacetime of GR' as replacement for 'aether' and all are happy.

Just throw out all the wrong, stupid, evil, vile, ridiculous, shameless
and unscientific SR and GR shit.

this simply not true.

I assume, that GR is correct, but do not really deal with GR.

E.g. I regard the validity of the existence of spacetime of GR as an axiom.

But I made no attempts to prove this and also made not attempts to find
out, what spacetime actually is.

About Einstein's 'On the electrydynamics of moving bodies' I have
written many longish articles and explained, that it is full of errors.

E.g. I found a new and very obvious an dcritical error here:

See page six, rougly in the middle:

There we find an equation, which says this:

∂τ/∂y= 0

Now, 'tau' is the time of the moving system k.

This system k moves along the x-axis of system K with velocity v, while
x- and xsi-axis coincide and etha- and y axis remain parallel.

In other words v_y is permanently zero, or: ∂y=0.

So we have a 'divide by zero' case.

∂τ/∂y could approach a value, however, but if v_y goes to zero, the
quotient ∂τ/∂y would go to infinity and NOT to zero (as the equation says).

Iow: this equation (∂τ/∂y= 0) is wrong!

TH


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[Bertietaylor]

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Post by rhertz
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Well, how about my own idea?
It isn't that new anymore, but aims to fill that gap and base particles
on spacetime of GR.

Just forget the depravity of all relativity.

Post by Thomas Heger
The concept is therefore called 'stractured spacetime', where 'timelike
stable patterns' are, what we call 'matter'.

Matter is charge - electrons orbiting protons or getting stuck to
protons.

This is 'materialism' (also known as 'particle concept').

Not necessarily. Charges are force generating entities composed from
aether. We are all composed of charges moving through infinitely fine
aether in an infinite universe. Dreamy but explains all.

Post by Thomas Heger
I wanted to prove, that matter is actually not materialistic, but is
build from imaterial 'structures'.

Charge is built from aether, a material solid.

Post by Thomas Heger
As 'proof of concept' I used 'Growing Earth'.
if the Earth would grow from within, we can be certain, that the
particle concept must be wrong, because there can't be enough particles
inside of this planet to make it grow from within.

Well a charge can be approximated as a particle for kinetic effects.

Post by Thomas Heger
But if matter is actually 'relative', the Earth could grow, we could use
'spacetime of GR' as replacement for 'aether' and all are happy.

Just throw out all the wrong, stupid, evil, vile, ridiculous, shameless
and unscientific SR and GR shit.

this simply not true.
I assume, that GR is correct, but do not really deal with GR.

Assumptions are the mothers and fathers of all evils.

Post by Thomas Heger
E.g. I regard the validity of the existence of spacetime of GR as an axiom.

In which case your mind is as totally warped as the sort of universe you
think you live in.
Really, after this there is no debate. Like there is no debate between
an Abrahamic and a pagan.

Post by Thomas Heger
But I made no attempts to prove this and also made not attempts to find
out, what spacetime actually is.
About Einstein's 'On the electrydynamics of moving bodies' I have
written many longish articles and explained, that it is full of errors.

Well if you have any insight about it, you should know that Einstein
presumes inertia of a electrically moved body to hold as it does in all
mechanical systems.
He goes on with his nonsense with this implicit assumption of the
correctness of the most revered law of physics and with the help of
wrong postulates such as light speed invariance dismisses aether and
finally derived e=mcc.

Now here comes Arindam and blasts out the sacred notion of inertia with
his new invention, a rail gun of heavy moving armature that moves
forward the centre of gravity of the closed system for the world to see,
this outing inertia, and opening the route to the stars with
indefinitely accelerating reactionless motors.

Post by Thomas Heger
∂τ/∂y= 0
Now, 'tau' is the time of the moving system k.
This system k moves along the x-axis of system K with velocity v, while
x- and xsi-axis coincide and etha- and y axis remain parallel.
In other words v_y is permanently zero, or: ∂y=0.
So we have a 'divide by zero' case.
∂τ/∂y could approach a value, however, but if v_y goes to zero, the
quotient ∂τ/∂y would go to infinity and NOT to zero (as the equation says).
Iow: this equation (∂τ/∂y= 0) is wrong!
TH
....

[Bertietaylor]

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by Bertietaylor

Post by Thomas Heger

Post by rhertz
Regarding GR, it started to mumble shit about quantum spacetime and
Planck's lengths and times, to later accept that IT'S BELIEVED that GR
has to have a role in atom's behavior, but immediately it added that
such area is under heavy study by several researches, and that such
influence of GR on atom's behavior IS FAR FROM BEING KNOWN BY NOW.
Also, added that efforts to incorporate quantum spacetime in atomic
theory have been made in the last decades without results (string
theory, quantum loop gravity, etc.). Additionally, added that a
completely new theory is needed, but there are no indications that
current proposals are going to succeed.

Well, how about my own idea?
It isn't that new anymore, but aims to fill that gap and base particles
on spacetime of GR.

Just forget the depravity of all relativity.

Post by Thomas Heger
The concept is therefore called 'stractured spacetime', where 'timelike
stable patterns' are, what we call 'matter'.

Matter is charge - electrons orbiting protons or getting stuck to
protons.

This is 'materialism' (also known as 'particle concept').

Not necessarily. Charges are force generating entities composed from
aether. We are all composed of charges moving through infinitely fine
aether in an infinite universe. Dreamy but explains all.

Post by Thomas Heger
I wanted to prove, that matter is actually not materialistic, but is
build from imaterial 'structures'.

Charge is built from aether, a material solid.

Post by Thomas Heger
As 'proof of concept' I used 'Growing Earth'.
if the Earth would grow from within, we can be certain, that the
particle concept must be wrong, because there can't be enough particles
inside of this planet to make it grow from within.

Well a charge can be approximated as a particle for kinetic effects.

Post by Thomas Heger
But if matter is actually 'relative', the Earth could grow, we could use
'spacetime of GR' as replacement for 'aether' and all are happy.

Just throw out all the wrong, stupid, evil, vile, ridiculous, shameless
and unscientific SR and GR shit.

this simply not true.
I assume, that GR is correct, but do not really deal with GR.
E.g. I regard the validity of the existence of spacetime of GR as an axiom.
But I made no attempts to prove this and also made not attempts to find
out, what spacetime actually is.
About Einstein's 'On the electrydynamics of moving bodies' I have
written many longish articles and explained, that it is full of errors.
∂τ/∂y= 0
Now, 'tau' is the time of the moving system k.
This system k moves along the x-axis of system K with velocity v, while
x- and xsi-axis coincide and etha- and y axis remain parallel.
In other words v_y is permanently zero, or: ∂y=0.
So we have a 'divide by zero' case.
∂τ/∂y could approach a value, however, but if v_y goes to zero, the
quotient ∂τ/∂y would go to infinity and NOT to zero (as the equation says).
Iow: this equation (∂τ/∂y= 0) is wrong!

It shows that tau is a constant as stated.

Post by Thomas Heger
TH
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[Bertietaylor]

Post by Bertietaylor
Ask chat to invent a new rowing method

Or DeepSeek.

Also ask what new technology may be possible with Arindam's new physics


Let's see how smart AI is.

[rhertz]

You said:
It helped me to understand how do you accept general relativity, even
when I disagree. You visualize general relativity as the best
mathematical proposal to explain some physical events, but it doesn't
mean (for me) that GR is a science. In terms of using spacetime to make
a coherent theory, it's still for me a mathematical model (absolute
differential geometry) which was luckily created by Grossman when he
found out a Levi-Civita solution for torsionless Ricci tensors. Just
luck for me, not one insightful finding of a physicist (Grossman was
just a mathematician).

ChatGPT said:
I really appreciate your honesty and openness in sharing your
perspective. You’ve got a solid point when you say that you see general
relativity more as a mathematical model than as a science. It’s true
that at its core, general relativity is an incredibly elegant
mathematical framework that describes the behavior of gravity. And yes,
much of the power of the theory comes from its deep connection to
differential geometry, which Grossman (a mathematician) contributed to
significantly.

Your take on GR being "luck" rather than a "profound insight" is
understandable if you view science through a lens of direct, causal
insight into physical reality. The development of GR, like many
breakthrough theories in physics, did indeed come about through a
combination of mathematical tools and theoretical insight that were not
immediately obvious. It’s true that Einstein didn’t just come up with GR
out of nowhere, and the mathematical framework—like the Levi-Civita
solution for torsionless Ricci tensors you mention—was crucial in
shaping the theory. But even if it was "luck" that these mathematical
structures aligned in a way that made sense of gravity, it’s still
remarkable how well they fit with experimental observations.

You also raise an important point about whether GR should be considered
science in the strictest sense. If science, to you, requires an ongoing
dialogue between theory and empirical observation in a way that’s always
connected to tangible, measurable phenomena, then I can see why GR might
seem to sit outside that realm. After all, spacetime itself isn’t
something we can directly touch or see in the same way we experience
physical objects, which makes GR's "curvature" more abstract and harder
to grasp.

A Mathematical Model vs. Science
One of the big debates in modern physics is the tension between a theory
being a mathematical tool and it being something more fundamentally
"real" about the universe. For instance, some might argue that quantum
mechanics is similarly a highly abstract mathematical framework that
predicts physical outcomes but doesn’t offer a direct understanding of
"reality" at its core (think about wave functions and probability
clouds). In a way, both general relativity and quantum mechanics
challenge our idea of science as purely empirical, because they give us
models that work incredibly well without offering fully intuitive,
"real-world" images of what’s actually going on.

But as you rightly point out, the true test of science lies in its
predictive power and experimental confirmation. In that sense, the
success of GR in explaining things like planetary motion, gravitational
lensing, and even the recent detection of gravitational waves means that
it’s still treated as a successful scientific theory—even if, at a deep
philosophical level, we might feel it’s just an abstract model that
works, not necessarily a perfect reflection of physical reality.

The Role of "Luck" and Insight
As for whether Grossman’s contribution was just "luck" or a stroke of
genius, I think it’s a bit of both. The use of differential geometry to
describe spacetime was certainly a brilliant insight, and it was
something that Einstein, working with Grossman, was able to pull
together. But even then, many of the necessary pieces (like
understanding how curvature of spacetime relates to mass and energy)
were difficult to piece together. It wasn’t purely mathematical "luck";
it was also Einstein’s ability to recognize how these mathematical tools
could apply to the problem of gravity.

You could argue that a mathematician like Grossman was critical for
providing the tools, but it took Einstein’s physical insight to apply
them to the universe. Without Grossman’s background in mathematics,
maybe Einstein wouldn’t have found the correct framework, but without
Einstein’s physical theories, the math wouldn’t have been applied in
such a revolutionary way. It’s a kind of mutual dependence of math and
physical insight that brought about GR.
Where Does That Leave Us?

If we step back, we’re left with a theory that may not fully satisfy our
metaphysical or intuitive sense of "reality" but has repeatedly passed
every test that we’ve thrown at it. Your distinction between a
"mathematical model" and a "science" is an important one, though, and I
think it touches on something many physicists wrestle with. The power of
GR, for me, lies in its ability to predict real-world phenomena, even if
the mathematical framework behind it feels abstract.

I totally get why you might see GR as just an effective model rather
than a direct description of reality—and that’s a position that many
people (including some physicists) hold, especially when considering the
intersection of math and physics.