Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

[The Starmaker]

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.


Case closed. I don't want to hear none of your lip!

Do I make myself clear?

[Dawn Flood]

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
Case closed. I don't want to hear none of your lip!
Do I make myself clear?

Unless you state this in person, while holding a wooden discipline
paddle, no one is going to take what you say seriously; they may even
ignore you. I speak from experience here.

Dawn

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Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
Case closed. I don't want to hear none of your lip!
Do I make myself clear?

yea but i make you messed up again

[Michael Christ]

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
Case closed. I don't want to hear none of your lip!
Do I make myself clear?

Yes, very.

And very obvious, but not to the genius atheist.




Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[The Starmaker]

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.


Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.



They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

[Dawn Flood]

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?

Dawn

[The Starmaker]

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

Richard Dawkins is NOT an atheists, and Richard Dawkins NEVER claimed to be an atheists!

So the book is garbage..

and it belongs in the garbage can. It is a fraudulent book.

snake oil salesmen.

[Skeeter]

In article <v0nrka$1m0et$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.com
says...

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

[Michael A Terrell]

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Post by Skeeter
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Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief,

It's not. It is a *lack* of belief.

Post by Skeeter
it's not a science.

No one said it's a science.

Post by Skeeter

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker
Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Bullshit.

Post by Skeeter

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.

Few atheists say "there is no god." Most atheists say they don't believe in any
god. That's not the same thing.

Post by Skeeter

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Bullshit.

Post by Skeeter

Post by Dawn Flood
No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

Most atheists have read lots of pro-religion material, and they have correctly
concluded that it's bullshit. There's no reason to read any more bullshit.

[Dawn Flood]

Post by Skeeter
says...

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for that
matter, on any topic espousing any position. Of course, there is only
so much time in any given day.

Dawn

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Post by Skeeter
says...

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for that
matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course, there is only
so much time in any given day.
Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing

[Skeeter]

In article <***@giganews.com>, pursent100
@gmail.com says...

Post by %

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by Skeeter
says...

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for that
matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course, there is only
so much time in any given day.
Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing

they have an app for that

[Dawn Flood]

Post by %

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by Skeeter
says...

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for
that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course, there is
only so much time in any given day.
Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing

What's the alternative? Fantasy??

Dawn

[%]

Post by %

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by Skeeter
says...

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for
that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course, there
is only so much time in any given day.
Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing

What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
Dawn

the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after

[Dawn Flood]

Post by %

Post by %

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by Skeeter
says...

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for
that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course, there
is only so much time in any given day.
Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing

What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
Dawn

the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after

Yeah, "Who knows?!" Is faith causal? I don't believe that it is,
which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.

Dawn

[Michael Christ]

Post by %

Post by %

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by Skeeter
says...

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level
of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for
that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course, there
is only so much time in any given day.
Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing

What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
Dawn

the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after

Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
Dawn

You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
"nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.





Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Dawn Flood]

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Post by %

Post by Dawn Flood

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Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course,
there is only so much time in any given day.
Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing

What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
Dawn

the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after

Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
Dawn

You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
"nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.

Michael,

Define "faith".

Dawn

[Maximus]

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Post by %

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Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of
course, there is only so much time in any given day.
Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing

What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
Dawn

the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after

Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
Dawn

You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
"nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.

Michael,
Define "faith".

michael doesn't like answering questions, just asking them

Post by Dawn Flood
Dawn

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Dawn Flood]

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Post by %

Post by Dawn Flood

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Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of
course, there is only so much time in any given day.
Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing

What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
Dawn

the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after

Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
Dawn

You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
"nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.

Michael,
Define "faith".

michael doesn't like answering questions, just asking them

:-)

[Skeeter]

In article <v0qimm$2drp3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.com
says...

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Post by Skeeter
says...

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for that
matter, on any topic espousing any position. Of course, there is only
so much time in any given day.
Dawn

Good point. I love reading books. Real books. Have you read C.S.Lewis?

[Dawn Flood]

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says...

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for that
matter, on any topic espousing any position. Of course, there is only
so much time in any given day.
Dawn

Good point. I love reading books. Real books. Have you read C.S.Lewis?

Of the "Lord, Liar or Lunatic" fame:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis%27s_trilemma

No scholar in the modern era takes that idea seriously.

Dawn

[The Starmaker]

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

RICHARD DAWKINS said in print: –

"A supernatural creator almost certainly does
not exist and religious faith is a delusion—
(Wikipedia)

A person like Richard Dawkins chooses his words very carefully.

Notice there is the word "almost" before certainly.



al·most
/'ôlmost/
adverb
not quite;
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+almost


That means he said 'not quite certain'...does not exist.

'not quite'. ALMOST!


"A supernatural creator *ALMOST* certainly does not exist..."



*ALMOST*

[The Starmaker]

Post by The Starmaker

Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

RICHARD DAWKINS said in print: –
"A supernatural creator almost certainly does
not exist and religious faith is a delusion—
(Wikipedia)
A person like Richard Dawkins chooses his words very carefully.
Notice there is the word "almost" before certainly.
al·most
/'ôlmost/
adverb
not quite;
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+almost
That means he said 'not quite certain'...does not exist.
'not quite'. ALMOST!
"A supernatural creator *ALMOST* certainly does not exist..."
*ALMOST*

Now, when a proffesional con artists like Richard Dawkins says, ...

"A supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist..."

people have a tendency to 'glance' over the word..."almost".

and using words like "almost CERTAINTLY" together is Perfect! Just the way
a proffesional con artists talks.

"OH YEAH, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN YOU'RE GOING TO GET BACK DOUBLE YOUR MONEY IN TEN DAYS!!!"

"SIGN HERE SUCKER!!!"


Then he tells the FBI, "I told them "almost", meaning I was 'not quite' certain."


*ALMOST*



If you read Richard Dawkinks book "The God Delusion", he ALMOST sounds like a atheists.



*ALMOST*



Con Artists make you believe they are what they are not.



But Richard Dawkinks never said or claimed to be an atheist...dat was your mistake.



Yous glanced over the word....almost. Yous didn't glance over the word "certaintly"...con artist know this.



Here is the current con artists of the day:

http://archive.ph/qhTH7

[Dawn Flood]

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Post by Dawn Flood

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?
Dawn

RICHARD DAWKINS said in print: –
"A supernatural creator almost certainly does
not exist and religious faith is a delusion—
(Wikipedia)
A person like Richard Dawkins chooses his words very carefully.
Notice there is the word "almost" before certainly.
al·most
/'ôlmost/
adverb
not quite;
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+almost
That means he said 'not quite certain'...does not exist.
'not quite'. ALMOST!
"A supernatural creator *ALMOST* certainly does not exist..."
*ALMOST*

Now, when a proffesional con artists like Richard Dawkins says, ...
"A supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist..."
people have a tendency to 'glance' over the word..."almost".
and using words like "almost CERTAINTLY" together is Perfect! Just the way
a proffesional con artists talks.
"OH YEAH, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN YOU'RE GOING TO GET BACK DOUBLE YOUR MONEY IN TEN DAYS!!!"
"SIGN HERE SUCKER!!!"
Then he tells the FBI, "I told them "almost", meaning I was 'not quite' certain."
*ALMOST*
If you read Richard Dawkinks book "The God Delusion", he ALMOST sounds like a atheists.
*ALMOST*
Con Artists make you believe they are what they are not.
But Richard Dawkinks never said or claimed to be an atheist...dat was your mistake.
Yous glanced over the word....almost. Yous didn't glance over the word "certaintly"...con artist know this.
http://archive.ph/qhTH7

You really need to read more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

Dawn

[The Starmaker]

Post by The Starmaker
http://archive.ph/qhTH7

Now, this guy is obvious
http://archive.ph/qhTH7

he's an amateur con artist since he
has to re-word everything...
(he needs Richard Dawkins to do his press releases)

but he's knows The Con.


He surrounds himself with the top scientist
he can find (dats a pattern with these con artists)

It give him a front.

(eventually they all abdomen him anyway)


I see the Climate Con is still ongoing a little...

If these guys are on top...imagine the bottom of the barrel!


AND The Atheists! That's a ongoing Con that's been going
on for ages!! They even go their own newsgroup.

I mean, come on already atheist, ain't yous bored wit dis con already?

Inside every atheists there's a Christian dying to come out of the closet.


God is inside your DNA, how can you keep fighting what was embedded in you?


(strange how some atheists marry very religious Christians girls)


I bet there are atheists right now on some Christian Dating Service online!

Hey, nothing wrong wit dat as long as she's got big boobs, right?


She asks him, "You're an atheist, what are we going to talk about?"

He sez, "Oh, don't worry, all we atheists do is talk about God!"


She sez, "I have to be honest with you, I'm a very religious Christian but I never read the bible."


He sez, "Don't worry about it, I'll read it to you in bed."

[Dawn Flood]

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
http://archive.ph/qhTH7

Now, this guy is obvious
http://archive.ph/qhTH7
he's an amateur con artist since he
has to re-word everything...
(he needs Richard Dawkins to do his press releases)
but he's knows The Con.
He surrounds himself with the top scientist
he can find (dats a pattern with these con artists)
It give him a front.
(eventually they all abdomen him anyway)
I see the Climate Con is still ongoing a little...
If these guys are on top...imagine the bottom of the barrel!
AND The Atheists! That's a ongoing Con that's been going
on for ages!! They even go their own newsgroup.
I mean, come on already atheist, ain't yous bored wit dis con already?
Inside every atheists there's a Christian dying to come out of the closet.
God is inside your DNA, how can you keep fighting what was embedded in you?
(strange how some atheists marry very religious Christians girls)
I bet there are atheists right now on some Christian Dating Service online!
Hey, nothing wrong wit dat as long as she's got big boobs, right?
She asks him, "You're an atheist, what are we going to talk about?"
He sez, "Oh, don't worry, all we atheists do is talk about God!"
She sez, "I have to be honest with you, I'm a very religious Christian but I never read the bible."
He sez, "Don't worry about it, I'll read it to you in bed."

All atheists that I have ever known are very lazy with respect to
atheism. For me, this is really it, this newsgroup. I have never even
attended the annual American Atheists convention, although, I do feel
some guilt about not participating more.

Dawn

[The Starmaker]

Here is another link to the article:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/star-scientist-s-claim-of-reverse-aging-draws-hail-of-criticism/ar-AA1nMP4W

or excepts:

Harvard geneticist David Sinclair, who has said his “biological age” is
roughly a decade younger than his actual one, has put forward his
largely unlined face as a spokesman for the longevity movement.
The 54-year-old has built his brand on the idea that aging is a
treatable disease. The notion has proven so seductive that legions of
acolytes follow his online postings about his research and the cocktails
of supplements he consumes to stave off the inevitable.
His social-media accounts are a platform for assertions that his work is
pushing nearer to a fountain of youth. He claimed last year that a gene
therapy invented in his Harvard lab and being developed by a company he
co-founded, Life Biosciences, had reversed aging and restored vision in
monkeys. “Next up: age reversal in humans,” he wrote on X and Instagram.
On Feb. 29, in the eyes of many other scientists working to unlock the
mysteries of aging, he went too far.
Another company he co-founded, Animal Biosciences, quoted him in a press
release saying that a supplement it had developed had reversed aging in
dogs. Scientists who study aging can’t even agree on what it means to
“reverse” aging, much less how to measure it.

The response was swift and harsh. The Academy for Health and Lifespan
Research, a group of about 60 scientists that Sinclair co-founded and
led, was hit with a cascade of resignations by members outraged by his
claims. One scientist who quit referred to Sinclair on X as a “snake oil
salesman.”
Days later, in a tense video meeting, the academy’s five other board
members pressed Sinclair to resign as president. He contended that the
press release contained an inaccurate quote, according to people who
were in the meeting, but he later stepped down.
Sinclair’s work is published regularly in top-tier scientific journals
and has brought attention to an emerging field vying for credibility and
funding. He has parlayed his research into hundreds of millions of
dollars of investment in various companies, more than 50 patents and
prominence as a longevity influencer.
Along the way, his claims—especially in his social-media posts,
interviews and his book—have drawn criticism from scientists who have
accused him of hyping his research and extolling unproven products,
including some from companies in which he had a financial interest.
“My lab’s ideas and findings are typically ahead of the curve, which is
why some peers might feel the research is overstated at the time,”
Sinclair said to The Wall Street Journal in an email. “I stand behind my
track record as a trusted scientist in one of the most competitive
professions of all.” He said he doesn’t engage with social-media
critics, including those calling him a snake oil salesman, and that many
such comments are “nothing more than mischaracterizations.”
Dr. Nir Barzilai, the new president of the Academy for Health and
Lifespan Research and the director of the Institute for Aging Research
at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, said Sinclair’s comment about
the dog research and his commercial interest in Animal Biosciences
crossed a line. “The data is not good, you’re calling it the wrong
thing, and then you’re selling it,” he said. “The selling is a step too
far.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/star-scientist-s-claim-of-reverse-aging-draws-hail-of-criticism/ar-AA1nMP4W
http://archive.ph/qhTH7

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Post by The Starmaker
http://archive.ph/qhTH7

Now, this guy is obvious
http://archive.ph/qhTH7
he's an amateur con artist since he
has to re-word everything...
(he needs Richard Dawkins to do his press releases)
but he's knows The Con.
He surrounds himself with the top scientist
he can find (dats a pattern with these con artists)
It give him a front.
(eventually they all abdomen him anyway)
I see the Climate Con is still ongoing a little...
If these guys are on top...imagine the bottom of the barrel!
AND The Atheists! That's a ongoing Con that's been going
on for ages!! They even go their own newsgroup.
I mean, come on already atheist, ain't yous bored wit dis con already?
Inside every atheists there's a Christian dying to come out of the closet.
God is inside your DNA, how can you keep fighting what was embedded in you?
(strange how some atheists marry very religious Christians girls)
I bet there are atheists right now on some Christian Dating Service online!
Hey, nothing wrong wit dat as long as she's got big boobs, right?
She asks him, "You're an atheist, what are we going to talk about?"
He sez, "Oh, don't worry, all we atheists do is talk about God!"
She sez, "I have to be honest with you, I'm a very religious Christian but I never read the bible."
He sez, "Don't worry about it, I'll read it to you in bed."
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

[Malte Runz]

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Nope. Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of a god.

Post by The Starmaker
Atheist are confident that there is no God, ...

That's a strawman. Not believing in the existence of a god is not the
same as a belief in the non-existence of a god.

Post by The Starmaker
... as Religions are confident that there is a God.

"Religions" are not confident that there is a god. The followers are.
Anyway...

Post by The Starmaker
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Without claiming knowledge, I would say that I believe there are no
gods. But the difference between my belief and the theist's belief is
that I can be proven wrong, whereas the theist can't. And that is the
fundamental difference between the two kinds of belief.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Nope. Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of a god.

Sheesh, these people really are morons!

That is what you believe!!!






Michael Christ

Post by Malte Runz

Post by The Starmaker
Atheist are confident that there is no God, ...

That's a strawman. Not believing in the existence of a god is not the
same as a belief in the non-existence of a god.

Post by The Starmaker
... as Religions are confident that there is a God.

"Religions" are not confident that there is a god. The followers are.
Anyway...

Post by The Starmaker
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Without claiming knowledge, I would say that I believe there are no
gods. But the difference between my belief and the theist's belief is
that I can be proven wrong, whereas the theist can't. And that is the
fundamental difference between the two kinds of belief.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Maximus]

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Nope. Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of a god.

IOW a belief that God or any specific gods don't exist

Post by Malte Runz

Post by The Starmaker
Atheist are confident that there is no God, ...

That's a strawman. Not believing in the existence of a god is not the
same as a belief in the non-existence of a god.

why?

Post by Malte Runz

Post by The Starmaker
... as Religions are confident that there is a God.

"Religions" are not confident that there is a god. The followers are.
Anyway...

Post by The Starmaker
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Without claiming knowledge, I would say that I believe there are no
gods. But the difference between my belief and the theist's belief is
that I can be proven wrong, whereas the theist can't. And that is the
fundamental difference between the two kinds of belief.

yes
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence. Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything. Including any god.

Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.

Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything. Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them
Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.
Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.
I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.
There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant
I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence since there is no way
to support it. As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

History is full of examples of huge numbers of people being
incorrect about many things. Supporting evidence is
lacking.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

Post by Attila
History is full of examples of huge numbers of people being
incorrect about many things. Supporting evidence is
lacking.
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them
Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.
Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.
I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.
There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant
I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

The value of eyewitnesses:

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu? There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
History is full of examples of huge numbers of people being
incorrect about many things. Supporting evidence is
lacking.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

Post by Attila
There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs. but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful
evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be
reality.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not. There is exactly the same support either way.

Post by Maximus
but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.

Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion. That is why faith was
invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

I do not.


--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful
evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be
reality.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the
beliefs could be valid.

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not. There is exactly the same support either way.

Post by Maximus
but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.
Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion. That is why faith was
invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

no, faith is belief without proof. the gospels for example are a basis
for Xtian faith

Post by Attila
I do not.
--

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful
evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be
reality.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the
beliefs could be valid.

Or not. There is no actual evidence that would convince
someone either way.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not. There is exactly the same support either way.

Post by Maximus
but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.
Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion. That is why faith was
invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

no, faith is belief without proof

Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing. No
facts.

A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence. No religion
has this.

Post by Maximus
. the gospels for example are a basis
for Xtian faith

Or for any other religion. None of them have anything
beyond faith. Your gospels are accepted as being true
without any supporting evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
I do not.
--

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful
evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be
reality.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the
beliefs could be valid.

Or not. There is no actual evidence that would convince
someone either way.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not. There is exactly the same support either way.

Post by Maximus
but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.
Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion. That is why faith was
invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

no, faith is belief without proof

Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing. No
facts.

no. evidence is not proof. evidence is just something that supports a
conclusion.

Post by Attila
A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence. No religion
has this.

yes they do. Muhammad is an historical person, as is Jesus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
. the gospels for example are a basis
for Xtian faith

Or for any other religion. None of them have anything
beyond faith. Your gospels are accepted as being true
without any supporting evidence.

the gospels are evidence for the events they contain. it's irrelevant
whether those events are true or not. they are still evidence. but some
things in the gospels are known to be factual. Bart Ehrman is a (very)
good authority on this.
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful
evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be
reality.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the
beliefs could be valid.

Or not. There is no actual evidence that would convince
someone either way.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not. There is exactly the same support either way.

Post by Maximus
but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.
Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion. That is why faith was
invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

no, faith is belief without proof

Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing. No
facts.

no. evidence is not proof. evidence is just something that supports a
conclusion.

True, but usually evidence has some validity factor.

Just what is evidence is usually left to the judgment of the
parties involved, which makes unsupported evidence useless.
Meaningful evidence is unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence. No religion
has this.

yes they do. Muhammad is an historical person, as is Jesus

Absolutely correct but there is no unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence that they were any
different from any John Doe off any street. Simply
accepting (or proving) someone with that name existed at a
certain time and place proves nothing.

There is no independent and unrelated supporting evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
. the gospels for example are a basis
for Xtian faith

Or for any other religion. None of them have anything
beyond faith. Your gospels are accepted as being true
without any supporting evidence.

the gospels are evidence for the events they contain

Your acceptance of them as evidence does nothing to actually
validate them Such validation requires unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence,

Post by Maximus
it's irrelevant
whether those events are true or not. they are still evidence. but some
things in the gospels are known to be factual. Bart Ehrman is a (very)
good authority on this.

Nothing beyond some physical locations and independently
verified historical figures. None of the mystical or
supernatural claims are independently supported.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[cld]

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
-----------------

and the third person

[Attila]

On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld

Post by cld

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.


--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld

Post by cld

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.
--

yes there is, the father.
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[The Starmaker]

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld

Post by cld

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.
--

yes there is, the father.

There is the fourth person...

If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
murders.

[Attila]

On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld

Post by cld

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.
--

yes there is, the father.

There is the fourth person...
If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
murders.

The charge would vary according to local law. In some
places two murders and in some places one.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[The Starmaker]

Post by Attila
On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld

Post by cld

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.
--

yes there is, the father.

There is the fourth person...
If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
murders.

The charge would vary according to local law. In some
places two murders and in some places one.

A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!


"Feel it, it's kicking!"

Twins? 3 murder chargers.

tripilets? i'm losing count.

Did you know the highest rate of Murder among women is..among pregnant women?

[Attila]

On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld

Post by cld

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.
--

yes there is, the father.

He is not involved at this point.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful
evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be
reality.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the
beliefs could be valid.

Or not. There is no actual evidence that would convince
someone either way.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not. There is exactly the same support either way.

Post by Maximus
but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.
Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion. That is why faith was
invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

no, faith is belief without proof

Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing. No
facts.

no. evidence is not proof. evidence is just something that supports a
conclusion.

True, but usually evidence has some validity factor.
Just what is evidence is usually left to the judgment of the
parties involved, which makes unsupported evidence useless.
Meaningful evidence is unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible.

unsupported evidence is not useless. all evidence is evaluated on it's
credibility. if there's a murder and I say I saw it happen, but no one
else did, that still needs to be investigated.

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence. No religion
has this.

yes they do. Muhammad is an historical person, as is Jesus

Absolutely correct but there is no unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence that they were any
different from any John Doe off any street.

the impact they had on the world suggests otherwise

Post by Attila
Simply
accepting (or proving) someone with that name existed at a
certain time and place proves nothing.
There is no independent and unrelated supporting evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
. the gospels for example are a basis
for Xtian faith

Or for any other religion. None of them have anything
beyond faith. Your gospels are accepted as being true
without any supporting evidence.

the gospels are evidence for the events they contain

Your acceptance of them as evidence does nothing to actually
validate them

nevertheless they are still evidence for what they contain. your claim
is there's no evidence for religious belief, not that there's no proof.
just as sporting organizations, clubs, and participants are evidence for
their sport, ie. that the sport exists, Churches and Mosques and the
believers (billions of them) are evidence for their God. ie. that the
God exists, or there wouldn't be any Churches or Mosques. to me this
seem obvious.

Post by Attila
Such validation requires unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence,

Post by Maximus
it's irrelevant
whether those events are true or not. they are still evidence. but some
things in the gospels are known to be factual. Bart Ehrman is a (very)
good authority on this.

Nothing beyond some physical locations and independently
verified historical figures. None of the mystical or
supernatural claims are independently supported.

yes

Post by Attila
--

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:34:33 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful
evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be
reality.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the
beliefs could be valid.

Or not. There is no actual evidence that would convince
someone either way.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not. There is exactly the same support either way.

Post by Maximus
but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.
Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion. That is why faith was
invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

no, faith is belief without proof

Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing. No
facts.

no. evidence is not proof. evidence is just something that supports a
conclusion.

True, but usually evidence has some validity factor.
Just what is evidence is usually left to the judgment of the
parties involved, which makes unsupported evidence useless.
Meaningful evidence is unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible.

unsupported evidence is not useless. all evidence is evaluated on it's
credibility. if there's a murder and I say I saw it happen, but no one
else did, that still needs to be investigated.

True but without corroboration there would be little result.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence. No religion
has this.

yes they do. Muhammad is an historical person, as is Jesus

Absolutely correct but there is no unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence that they were any
different from any John Doe off any street.

the impact they had on the world suggests otherwise

Ra and Osiris had a similar impact on their world.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
Simply
accepting (or proving) someone with that name existed at a
certain time and place proves nothing.
There is no independent and unrelated supporting evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
. the gospels for example are a basis
for Xtian faith

Or for any other religion. None of them have anything
beyond faith. Your gospels are accepted as being true
without any supporting evidence.

the gospels are evidence for the events they contain

Your acceptance of them as evidence does nothing to actually
validate them

nevertheless they are still evidence for what they contain. your claim
is there's no evidence for religious belief, not that there's no proof.
just as sporting organizations, clubs, and participants are evidence for
their sport, ie. that the sport exists, Churches and Mosques and the
believers (billions of them) are evidence for their God. ie. that the
God exists, or there wouldn't be any Churches or Mosques. to me this
seem obvious.

Nonsense. Evidence without factual support is about as
useless as can be imagined.

"Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"

Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
needed.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
Such validation requires unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence,

Post by Maximus
it's irrelevant
whether those events are true or not. they are still evidence. but some
things in the gospels are known to be factual. Bart Ehrman is a (very)
good authority on this.

Nothing beyond some physical locations and independently
verified historical figures. None of the mystical or
supernatural claims are independently supported.

yes

Therefore belief or non-belief can be as simple as flipping
a coin. Except belief under these conditions also requires
belief in anything including vampires, elves, giants,
dragons, werewolves, and shape shifters.


--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[D]

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level
of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful
evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be
reality.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the
beliefs could be valid.

Or not. There is no actual evidence that would convince
someone either way.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not. There is exactly the same support either way.

Post by Maximus
but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.
Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion. That is why faith was
invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

no, faith is belief without proof

Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing. No
facts.

no. evidence is not proof. evidence is just something that supports a
conclusion.

True, but usually evidence has some validity factor.
Just what is evidence is usually left to the judgment of the
parties involved, which makes unsupported evidence useless.
Meaningful evidence is unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible.

unsupported evidence is not useless. all evidence is evaluated on it's
credibility. if there's a murder and I say I saw it happen, but no one else
did, that still needs to be investigated.

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence. No religion
has this.

yes they do. Muhammad is an historical person, as is Jesus

Absolutely correct but there is no unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence that they were any
different from any John Doe off any street.

the impact they had on the world suggests otherwise

Post by Attila
Simply
accepting (or proving) someone with that name existed at a
certain time and place proves nothing.
There is no independent and unrelated supporting evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
. the gospels for example are a basis
for Xtian faith

Or for any other religion. None of them have anything
beyond faith. Your gospels are accepted as being true
without any supporting evidence.

the gospels are evidence for the events they contain

Your acceptance of them as evidence does nothing to actually
validate them

nevertheless they are still evidence for what they contain. your claim is
there's no evidence for religious belief, not that there's no proof. just as
sporting organizations, clubs, and participants are evidence for their sport,
ie. that the sport exists, Churches and Mosques and the believers (billions
of them) are evidence for their God. ie. that the God exists, or there
wouldn't be any Churches or Mosques. to me this seem obvious.

No, that is incorrect. Churches and churchgoers are evidence that churches
and organized religions exist. They are not evidence of everything that
religion proclaims to be true, is true.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
Such validation requires unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence,

Post by Maximus
it's irrelevant
whether those events are true or not. they are still evidence. but some
things in the gospels are known to be factual. Bart Ehrman is a (very)
good authority on this.

Nothing beyond some physical locations and independently
verified historical figures. None of the mystical or
supernatural claims are independently supported.

yes

Post by Attila
--

[Maximus]

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the
same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions
are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence.  It just isn't very useful
evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do.  They all show what you see may not be
reality.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
since there is no way
to support it.
      As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all
religious faiths.

So what?  That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the
beliefs could be valid.

Or not.  There is no actual evidence that would convince
someone either way.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
     There are hundreds of others.  In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not.  There is exactly the same support either way.

Post by Maximus
but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.
Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion.  That is why faith was
invented.  Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

no, faith is belief without proof

Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing.  No
facts.

no. evidence is not proof. evidence is just something that supports a
conclusion.

True, but usually evidence has some validity factor.
Just what is evidence is usually left to the judgment of the
parties involved, which makes unsupported evidence useless.
Meaningful evidence is unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible.

unsupported evidence is not useless. all evidence is evaluated on
it's credibility. if there's a murder and I say I saw it happen, but
no one else did, that still needs to be investigated.

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence.  No religion
has this.

yes they do. Muhammad is an historical person, as is Jesus

Absolutely correct but there is no unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence that they were any
different from any John Doe off any street.

the impact they had on the world suggests otherwise

Post by Attila
   Simply
accepting (or proving) someone with that name existed at a
certain time and place proves nothing.
There is no independent and unrelated supporting evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
. the gospels for example are a basis
for Xtian faith

Or for any other religion.  None of them have anything
beyond faith.  Your gospels are accepted as being true
without any supporting evidence.

the gospels are evidence for the events they contain

Your acceptance of them as evidence does nothing to actually
validate them

nevertheless they are still evidence for what they contain. your
claim is there's no evidence for religious belief, not that there's
no proof. just as sporting organizations, clubs, and participants are
evidence for their sport, ie. that the sport exists, Churches and
Mosques and the believers (billions of them) are evidence for their
God. ie. that the God exists, or there wouldn't be any Churches or
Mosques. to me this seem obvious.

No, that is incorrect. Churches and churchgoers are evidence that
churches and organized religions exist. They are not evidence of
everything that religion proclaims to be true, is true.

I'm not saying they are

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
  Such validation requires unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence,

Post by Maximus
it's irrelevant
whether those events are true or not. they are still evidence. but some
things in the gospels are known to be factual. Bart Ehrman is a (very)
good authority on this.

Nothing beyond some physical locations and independently
verified historical figures.  None of the mystical or
supernatural claims are independently supported.

yes

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[D]

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident
that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof. In order to count as proof, they need to
devise a test that proves god. No such test has ever been devised that
satisfies the rigorous standards of science.

If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon of
gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish this
position is.

If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this
group would be converted.

Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.

So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a god
that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.

That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just light
entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything. Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them
Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.
Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.
I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.
There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant
I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Post by D
If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this
group would be converted.
Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.
So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a
god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.
That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just
light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.  Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus
contribute a third?

Post by Maximus

Post by D
If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this
group would be converted.
Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.
So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a
god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.
That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just
light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.  Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

I don't believe any number can.

Post by Attila
Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus
contribute a third?

no, could be it's just different beliefs about God
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

I don't believe any number can.

Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
religions as if the numbers matter?

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus
contribute a third?

no, could be it's just different beliefs about God

The issue is numbers, not beliefs. And whether numbers can
validate beliefs.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of
...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

I don't believe any number can.

Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
religions as if the numbers matter?

because they do matter. they are evidence. I never said they validate
the beliefs as truth

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
Are you saying the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus
contribute a third?

no, could be it's just different beliefs about God

The issue is numbers, not beliefs. And whether numbers can
validate beliefs.
--

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of
...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

I don't believe any number can.

Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
religions as if the numbers matter?

because they do matter. they are evidence.

Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence
- at best they are unsupported opinion.

"Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"

Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
needed.

Post by Maximus
I never said they validate
the beliefs as truth

Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or
factual.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
Are you saying the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus
contribute a third?

no, could be it's just different beliefs about God

The issue is numbers, not beliefs. And whether numbers can
validate beliefs.
--

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of
...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

I don't believe any number can.

Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
religions as if the numbers matter?

because they do matter. they are evidence.

Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence
- at best they are unsupported opinion.
"Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
needed.

yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
I never said they validate
the beliefs as truth

Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or
factual.

yes

Post by Attila
--

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[Attila]

On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:40:53 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of
...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

I don't believe any number can.

Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
religions as if the numbers matter?

because they do matter. they are evidence.

Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence
- at best they are unsupported opinion.
"Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
needed.

yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God

Such people say the existence of anything is proof a god
exists. There is no way to have a rational dialog with such
people.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
I never said they validate
the beliefs as truth

Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or
factual.

yes

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[bertietaylor]

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of
...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

I don't believe any number can.

Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
religions as if the numbers matter?

because they do matter. they are evidence.

Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence
- at best they are unsupported opinion.
"Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
needed.

yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
I never said they validate
the beliefs as truth

Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or
factual.

yes

Good. But what to say if what is fact for one is fiction for another?

Whoever feeds us is God. Or at least, Good.

We love God.

Woof-woof

bt (Arindam's best friends)

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
--

[Attila]

On Thu, 2 May 2024 13:12:57 +0000, ***@myyahoo.com
(bertietaylor) in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by The Starmaker

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same

level of

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz

Post by The Starmaker
...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is

evidence.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by D
That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that

proves

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by D
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the

rigorous

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by D
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a

pantheon

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by D
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how

foolish

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by D
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are

currently

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world

today.

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

I don't believe any number can.

Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
religions as if the numbers matter?

because they do matter. they are evidence.

Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence
- at best they are unsupported opinion.
"Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
needed.

yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus
I never said they validate
the beliefs as truth

Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or
factual.

yes

Good. But what to say if what is fact for one is fiction for another?

A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence.

Post by The Starmaker
Whoever feeds us is God. Or at least, Good.
We love God.
Woof-woof
bt (Arindam's best friends)

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
--

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[The Ref]

Post by Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level
of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something without
any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a
pantheon of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how
foolish this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons who
believed in Christianity and millions that believed in other gods.
Does that mean those gods were valid at that time and Christianity was
not? Does a religion become valid when a certain level of belief is
reached? What is the number needed to validate a religion as being
true?

I don't believe any number can.

Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other religions as
if the numbers matter?

Post by Maximus

Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims are valid so
there are at least two gods? Do Hindus contribute a third?

no, could be it's just different beliefs about God

The issue is numbers, not beliefs. And whether numbers can validate
beliefs.

They can't -- it's a logical fallacy:

https://infidels.org/library/modern/constructing-a-logical-argument/#numerum

Argumentum ad numerum
This fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists
of asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition,
the more likely it is that that proposition is correct. For example:

“The vast majority of people in this country believe that capital
punishment has a noticeable deterrent effect. To suggest that
it doesn’t in the face of so much evidence is ridiculous.”

“All I’m saying is that thousands of people believe in pyramid
power, so there must be something to it.”

Followups: alt.atheism

[Michael Christ]

Post by Maximus

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting.  At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods.  Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not?   Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached?  What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?

I don't believe any number can.

Post by Attila
Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods?  Do Hindus
contribute a third?

no, could be it's just different beliefs about God

Maybe one day the penny will drop for Maxi Maximus?

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."



Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Michael Christ]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?
Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus
contribute a third?

Hahahahahahaha...

One of the very, very rare rational inquiries from Attila.

It is like it is Christmas. :-).




Michael Christ

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by D
If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this
group would be converted.
Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.
So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a
god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.
That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just
light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.  Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them
Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.
Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.
I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.
There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant
I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Attila]

On Wed, 1 May 2024 08:26:09 +1000, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?
Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus
contribute a third?

Hahahahahahaha...
One of the very, very rare rational inquiries from Attila.
It is like it is Christmas. :-).

May your underwear be infested with nests of Bulldogs.
Assuming you wear underwear, of course.

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by D
If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this
group would be converted.
Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.
So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a
god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.
That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just
light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.  Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 08:26:09 +1000, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of
...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?
Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus
contribute a third?

Hahahahahahaha...
One of the very, very rare rational inquiries from Attila.
It is like it is Christmas. :-).

May your underwear be infested with nests of Bulldogs.
Assuming you wear underwear, of course.

May the grasshopper you have for breakfast get stuck in your teeth as
you ponder the thought of sticking your nose into that horse's ass.





Michael Christ

Post by Attila

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Post by Attila

Post by Maximus

Post by D
If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this
group would be converted.
Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.
So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a
god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.
That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just
light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.  Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them
Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.
Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.
I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.
There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant
I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[Maximus]

Post by Attila
On Wed, 1 May 2024 08:26:09 +1000, Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of
...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
the number needed to validate a religion as being true?
Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims
are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus
contribute a third?

Hahahahahahaha...
One of the very, very rare rational inquiries from Attila.
It is like it is Christmas. :-).

May your underwear be infested with nests of Bulldogs.
Assuming you wear underwear, of course.

he does, but it's very, very, dirty..
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[D]

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident
that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

That is kind of what proof means. I don't see any other way proof could
have any meaning.

Post by Maximus

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves god. No
such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous standards of
science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon of
gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish this
position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently 2.4
billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. believers
in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

No, I don't consider "voting" proof. If that were the case, then clearly
the earth was proven to be flat once, and the sun was proven to circle the
earth. I could go on, but you realize of course how absurd equating
followers with proof is.

Post by Maximus

Post by D
If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this group
would be converted.
Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.
So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a god
that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.
That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just light
entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.  Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

[Attila]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:52:46 +0200, D <***@example.net>
in alt.atheism with message-id

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident
that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

That is kind of what proof means. I don't see any other way proof could
have any meaning.

The only way is for that proof to have unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence supporting it.

Scientific proof also requires a repeatability factor.

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves god. No
such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous standards of
science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon of
gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish this
position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently 2.4
billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. believers
in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

No, I don't consider "voting" proof. If that were the case, then clearly
the earth was proven to be flat once, and the sun was proven to circle the
earth. I could go on, but you realize of course how absurd equating
followers with proof is.

Post by Maximus

Post by D
If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this group
would be converted.
Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.
So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a god
that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.
That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just light
entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.  Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

That is kind of what proof means. I don't see any other way proof
could have any meaning.

Post by Maximus

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
standards of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a
pantheon of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how
foolish this position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world
today. believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

No, I don't consider "voting" proof. If that were the case, then
clearly the earth was proven to be flat once, and the sun was proven
to circle the earth. I could go on, but you realize of course how
absurd equating followers with proof is.

yes, and I don't equate followers with proof

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by D
If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that
this group would be converted.
Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove
with science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.
So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a
god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.
That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will
never convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is
just light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.  Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[D]

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident
that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

That is kind of what proof means. I don't see any other way proof could
have any meaning.

Post by Maximus

Post by D
In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves god.
No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous standards
of science.
If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon of
gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish this
position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently 2.4
billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

No, I don't consider "voting" proof. If that were the case, then clearly
the earth was proven to be flat once, and the sun was proven to circle the
earth. I could go on, but you realize of course how absurd equating
followers with proof is.

yes, and I don't equate followers with proof

Good!

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by D
If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this
group would be converted.
Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.
So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a god
that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.
That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just light
entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Post by Maximus

Post by Malte Runz
Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.  Including any god.
Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.
Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

[The Starmaker]

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure if God exist or not.


That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not even sure if God exist or not.

[The Starmaker]

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure if God exist or not.

One thing for sure...Richard Dawkins doesn't have any God Delusions...he
believes in God...sometimes.


I would say almost half of the time...

[The Starmaker]

An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

[Attila]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
of any religion.

A statement that something does not exist would require
evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
provide.

I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god. My default position is that as a
result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
the default position that a god does exist would require I
also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
other mythical characters must also exist.


--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Michael Christ]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

I take issue with that.

Yes, the force is strong with this one.





Michael Christ



I have nothing to do with any part

Post by Attila
of any religion.
A statement that something does not exist would require
evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
provide.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god. My default position is that as a
result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
the default position that a god does exist would require I
also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
other mythical characters must also exist.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them
Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.
Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.
I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.
Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?
Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.
There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant
I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[The Starmaker]

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
of any religion.

1
: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religious


the operative word is "or".

[Attila]

On Wed, 01 May 2024 21:42:04 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by Attila
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
of any religion.

1
: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religious
the operative word is "or".

The subject under discussion is atheism not religion.

"a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or
any gods"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist


--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[The Starmaker]

Post by The Starmaker
An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

Sort of a Charles Darwin, right? I forgot, was Charles Darwin a very religious Christian or Catholic person????

[D]

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

Sort of a Charles Darwin, right? I forgot, was Charles Darwin a very religious Christian or Catholic person????

Charles Darwin is very commonly listed as an agnostic. But recently I
found out that that side of the equation is a jungle of ism and
combination of ism.

[Skeeter]

Post by D

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

Sort of a Charles Darwin, right? I forgot, was Charles Darwin a very religious Christian or Catholic person????

Charles Darwin is very commonly listed as an agnostic. But recently I
found out that that side of the equation is a jungle of ism and
combination of ism.

Like all the new words the liberals have come up with.

[The Starmaker]

Post by D

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

Sort of a Charles Darwin, right? I forgot, was Charles Darwin a very religious Christian or Catholic person????

Charles Darwin is very commonly listed as an agnostic. But recently I
found out that that side of the equation is a jungle of ism and
combination of ism.

"was Charles Darwin" means before...

he was studying to be a priest...he was a Christian.


He was a Damn religious guy! A PRIEST!! Those guys you see in the movies The Exorists!!!!

[HeartDoc Andrew]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:59:16 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure if God exist or not.

One thing for sure...Richard Dawkins doesn't have any God Delusions...he
believes in God...sometimes.
I would say almost half of the time...

In the interim, I am simply wonderfully hungry (
https://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) for food right now and hope you,
TS, and others reading this, also have a healthy appetite for food
right now too.

So how are you ?

[HeartDoc Andrew]

(belief) 04/30/24 Again not a LoosePeeledQuackIdiot bigot ...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/Ai33hw5PINI/m/wytVpY68MwAJ

Instead be "woke" to the sin of racial prejudice:

https://tinyurl.com/JesusIsWoke (i.e. not a Nazi bigot) *and* risen!!!

[HeartDoc Andrew]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:18:25 -0400, HeartDoc Andrew

Post by HeartDoc Andrew
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:59:16 -0700, The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure if God exist or not.

One thing for sure...Richard Dawkins doesn't have any God Delusions...he
believes in God...sometimes.
I would say almost half of the time...

In the interim, I am simply wonderfully hungry (
https://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) for food right now and hope you,
TS, and others reading this, also have a healthy appetite for food
right now too.
So how are you ?

(no reply for > 15 min)

Your not being able to reply appropriately over the past 15 min since
being greeted here means, TS, you're #StatCOVID19Test **positive**
which indicates you're possibly infected w/#COVID (See
http://youtu.be/F9cjfEiLQIk or https://tinyurl.com/StatCOVID19Test
for the science).

[Michael Christ]

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure if God exist or not.
That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not even sure if God exist or not.

Dawkins is lost, you can see it in his face. Also in Hitchens before he
died.




Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

[D]

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure if God exist or not.
That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not even sure if God exist or not.

That always ends up in nitpicking. My choosen word for it is agnostic, but
many atheists disagree with me. To each his own. ;)

[Maximus]

Post by D

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even
sure if God exist or not.
That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not
even sure if God exist or not.

That always ends up in nitpicking. My choosen word for it is agnostic,
but many atheists disagree with me. To each his own. ;)

atheism simply means 'without theism'. the 'a' in atheism signifies
that. to my mind it's the best, most succinct definition.
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[D]

Post by D

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident
that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure
if God exist or not.
That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not even
sure if God exist or not.

That always ends up in nitpicking. My choosen word for it is agnostic, but
many atheists disagree with me. To each his own. ;)

atheism simply means 'without theism'. the 'a' in atheism signifies that. to
my mind it's the best, most succinct definition.

Yes, atheism for me means you do not believe in god. Not belief in lack of
a god, hence, the argument that atheists are believers is not a good one
in my book. If you phrase it as "I believe there is no god" then it's your
own fault for exciting all the theists. ;)

In terms of simple logic. Theism means for me, belief in x, where x is
is some kind of deity.

Atheism, means not belief in x, where x is some kind of deity.

Theism: b(x). (where b is belief in, x deity)
Atheism:; !b(x). (where ! is not, b is belief in, and x deity)

The theists that argue that atheism is a belief, in my book and
interpretation and definition, are arguing that !b = b which is a logical
contradiction, and hence an invalid argument.

[Skeeter]

Post by D

Post by D

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident
that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure
if God exist or not.
That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not even
sure if God exist or not.

That always ends up in nitpicking. My choosen word for it is agnostic, but
many atheists disagree with me. To each his own. ;)

atheism simply means 'without theism'. the 'a' in atheism signifies that. to
my mind it's the best, most succinct definition.

Yes, atheism for me means you do not believe in god. Not belief in lack of
a god, hence, the argument that atheists are believers is not a good one
in my book. If you phrase it as "I believe there is no god" then it's your
own fault for exciting all the theists. ;)
In terms of simple logic. Theism means for me, belief in x, where x is
is some kind of deity.
Atheism, means not belief in x, where x is some kind of deity.
Theism: b(x). (where b is belief in, x deity)
Atheism:; !b(x). (where ! is not, b is belief in, and x deity)
The theists that argue that atheism is a belief, in my book and
interpretation and definition, are arguing that !b = b which is a logical
contradiction, and hence an invalid argument.

Yet the idea that there is no God is still what they believe.

[Attila]

On Wed, 1 May 2024 14:39:08 -0600, Skeeter

Post by Skeeter

Post by D

Post by D

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident
that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure
if God exist or not.
That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not even
sure if God exist or not.

That always ends up in nitpicking. My choosen word for it is agnostic, but
many atheists disagree with me. To each his own. ;)

atheism simply means 'without theism'. the 'a' in atheism signifies that. to
my mind it's the best, most succinct definition.

Yes, atheism for me means you do not believe in god. Not belief in lack of
a god, hence, the argument that atheists are believers is not a good one
in my book. If you phrase it as "I believe there is no god" then it's your
own fault for exciting all the theists. ;)
In terms of simple logic. Theism means for me, belief in x, where x is
is some kind of deity.
Atheism, means not belief in x, where x is some kind of deity.
Theism: b(x). (where b is belief in, x deity)
Atheism:; !b(x). (where ! is not, b is belief in, and x deity)
The theists that argue that atheism is a belief, in my book and
interpretation and definition, are arguing that !b = b which is a logical
contradiction, and hence an invalid argument.

Yet the idea that there is no God is still what they believe.

And not collecting stamps is a hobby.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

[Maximus]

Post by D

Post by Maximus

Post by D

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even
sure if God exist or not.
That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not
even sure if God exist or not.

That always ends up in nitpicking. My choosen word for it is
agnostic, but many atheists disagree with me. To each his own. ;)

atheism simply means 'without theism'. the 'a' in atheism signifies
that. to my mind it's the best, most succinct definition.

Yes, atheism for me means you do not believe in god. Not belief in
lack of a god, hence, the argument that atheists are believers is not
a good one in my book. If you phrase it as "I believe there is no god"
then it's your own fault for exciting all the theists. ;)
In terms of simple logic. Theism means for me, belief in x, where x is
is some kind of deity.
Atheism, means not belief in x, where x is some kind of deity.
Theism: b(x). (where b is belief in, x deity)
Atheism:; !b(x). (where ! is not, b is belief in, and x deity)
The theists that argue that atheism is a belief, in my book and
interpretation and definition, are arguing that !b = b which is a
logical contradiction, and hence an invalid argument.

good explanation. for me tho it's no big deal how ppl think of atheism
or define it. it all comes down simply to 'atheists don't believe in God'
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

[D]

Post by D

Post by D

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker

Post by The Starmaker
Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident
that there is a God.
They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure
if God exist or not.
That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not even
sure if God exist or not.

That always ends up in nitpicking. My choosen word for it is agnostic,
but many atheists disagree with me. To each his own. ;)

atheism simply means 'without theism'. the 'a' in atheism signifies that.
to my mind it's the best, most succinct definition.

Yes, atheism for me means you do not believe in god. Not belief in lack of
a god, hence, the argument that atheists are believers is not a good one in
my book. If you phrase it as "I believe there is no god" then it's your own
fault for exciting all the theists. ;)
In terms of simple logic. Theism means for me, belief in x, where x is is
some kind of deity.
Atheism, means not belief in x, where x is some kind of deity.
Theism: b(x). (where b is belief in, x deity)
Atheism:; !b(x). (where ! is not, b is belief in, and x deity)
The theists that argue that atheism is a belief, in my book and
interpretation and definition, are arguing that !b = b which is a logical
contradiction, and hence an invalid argument.

good explanation. for me tho it's no big deal how ppl think of atheism or
define it. it all comes down simply to 'atheists don't believe in God'

Thank you. Yes, this was more for the benefit of the people who claim it
is a faith, which I disagree with, but I doubt the argument will sway
them. It almost never does. ;)

[palsing]

You could make the same claim about all of the religions of this world. Why do you think they call it "faith"?

[Ross Finlayson]

Post by palsing
You could make the same claim about all of the religions of this world.
Why do you think they call it "faith"?

In my podcasts I talk about "cyclic metaphysic",
which is a very brief metaphysics, and doesn't
care or is agnostic both deism and a-deism,
or theism and a-theism, where of course it's
unfalsifiable either way and "super-scientific".

There is though sort of arrived at why there
_is_ a brief metaphysics for a teleology as
after Kant's "Sublime" and Hegel's Kant's "Sublime",
making for a "strong" mathematical platonism,
and also, a "stronger" logicism and positivism.

"Faith" is for "Truth", "faith in the belief in
the" and "belief in the faith in the", truth.

This isn't necessarily very "20'th century"
yet it is very "21'st century" a sort of
"Greatest Hits of All Time".

It's scholastic and an apologetics.

A brief metaphysics for a strong mathematical platonism
and a stronger logicism and positivism is arrived at.

Of course, it's scientific.

[HeartDoc Andrew]

Post by Ross Finlayson

Post by palsing
You could make the same claim about all of the religions of this world.
Why do you think they call it "faith"?

In my podcasts I talk about "cyclic metaphysic",
which is a very brief metaphysics, and doesn't
care or is agnostic both deism and a-deism,
or theism and a-theism, where of course it's
unfalsifiable either way and "super-scientific".
There is though sort of arrived at why there
_is_ a brief metaphysics for a teleology as
after Kant's "Sublime" and Hegel's Kant's "Sublime",
making for a "strong" mathematical platonism,
and also, a "stronger" logicism and positivism.
"Faith" is for "Truth", "faith in the belief in
the" and "belief in the faith in the", truth.
This isn't necessarily very "20'th century"
yet it is very "21'st century" a sort of
"Greatest Hits of All Time".
It's scholastic and an apologetics.
A brief metaphysics for a strong mathematical platonism
and a stronger logicism and positivism is arrived at.
Of course, it's scientific.

In the interim, I am simply wonderfully hungry (
https://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) for food right now and hope you,
Ross, and others reading this, also have a healthy appetite for food
right now too.

So how are you ?

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(faith) 04/29/24 Again not a LoosePeeledQuackIdiot bigot ...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/Ai33hw5PINI/m/wytVpY68MwAJ

Instead be "woke" to the sin of racial prejudice:

https://tinyurl.com/JesusIsWoke (i.e. not a Nazi bigot) *and* risen!!!

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:01:35 -0400, HeartDoc Andrew

Post by HeartDoc Andrew

Post by Ross Finlayson

Post by palsing
You could make the same claim about all of the religions of this world.
Why do you think they call it "faith"?

In my podcasts I talk about "cyclic metaphysic",
which is a very brief metaphysics, and doesn't
care or is agnostic both deism and a-deism,
or theism and a-theism, where of course it's
unfalsifiable either way and "super-scientific".
There is though sort of arrived at why there
_is_ a brief metaphysics for a teleology as
after Kant's "Sublime" and Hegel's Kant's "Sublime",
making for a "strong" mathematical platonism,
and also, a "stronger" logicism and positivism.
"Faith" is for "Truth", "faith in the belief in
the" and "belief in the faith in the", truth.
This isn't necessarily very "20'th century"
yet it is very "21'st century" a sort of
"Greatest Hits of All Time".
It's scholastic and an apologetics.
A brief metaphysics for a strong mathematical platonism
and a stronger logicism and positivism is arrived at.
Of course, it's scientific.

In the interim, I am simply wonderfully hungry (
https://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) for food right now and hope you,
Ross, and others reading this, also have a healthy appetite for food
right now too.
So how are you ?

(no reply for > 25 min)

Your not being able to reply appropriately over the past 25 min since
being greeted here means, Ross, you're #StatCOVID19Test **positive**
which indicates you're possibly infected w/#COVID (See

or https://tinyurl.com/StatCOVID19Test
for the science).