How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?
A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
geometry.
B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
D. He never said who he got it from.
He stole them from Hilbert.

Hilbert disagreed,

Jan

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-25 17:55:18 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

This is how you are mistaken:
Hilbert said, "Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more
about four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that,
Einstein did the work and not the mathematicians."
You clearly misconstrued that.

Richard Hachel

2024-12-25 19:18:37 UTC

Jan

Hilbert said, "Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more
about four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that,
Einstein did the work and not the mathematicians."
You clearly misconstrued that.

C'est un mathématicien qui a fait cela, et le premier a avoir donné les
prémices de la relativité restreinte, c'est Henri Poincaré.
Einstein n'a fait que recopier (probablement aidé d'ailleurs par les
médecins et mathématiciens allemands).
De même qu'il a recopié Hilbert et Gross.
D'ailleurs, comment expliquer qu'un gars absolument nul en mathématique
ait pu dépasser le plus grand mathématicien de l'époque, puis montrer
sa virtuosité devant des espaces hyperboliques. C'est absurde. Cela tient
de la religiosité.
On s'est mis à adorer une "création divine" et un saint prophète.
C'est incroyable à dire, mais il faut le génie d'Hachel (une sorte de
Columbo et de Sherlock Holmes) lorsqu'il réfléchit aux comportements
historiques des humains pour comprendre ce qui s'est passé. Il s'est
passé la même chose entre Jésus-Christ et Saint Paul (l'Antéchrist de
lumière). Le Christ venant avec, aussitôt (le diable n'attend jamais une
seconde) l'Antichrist sur les talons pour déformer le message, et le
remplacer par une doctrine à la con de "rédemption par le sang du
Christ".
Einstein n'a pas attendu trois mois (même pas trois mois) pour copier les
transformations de Poincaré, et en réclamant "qu'il ne connaît pas ce
monsieur". Ne riez pas les amis, ce n'est pas drôle. Sauf qu'avant de
mourir Einstein a dit : "Oui, j'avais lu Poincaré, et jamais aucun homme
au monde ne m'avait subjugié comme lui". Pourtant jamais Einstein ne cite
Poincaré dans ses écrits. Il y a là quelque chose de très étonnant si
l'on réfléchit bien.

R.H.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-25 19:32:36 UTC

Jan

BABYLON TRANSLATION: "It was a mathematician who did this, and the first
to have given the beginnings of special relativity was Henri Poincaré.
Einstein only copied (probably helped by German doctors and
mathematicians). In the same way that he copied Hilbert and Gross.
Besides, how can we explain that a guy who was absolutely bad at
mathematics was able to surpass the greatest mathematician of the time,
and then show his virtuosity in front of hyperbolic spaces. It's absurd.
This is religiosity. People began to worship a "divine creation" and a
holy prophet. It's incredible to say, but it takes the genius of Hachel
(a sort of Columbo and Sherlock Holmes) when he reflects on the
historical behaviors of humans to understand what happened. The same
thing happened between Jesus Christ and St. Paul (the Antichrist of
light). Christ coming with immediately (the devil never waits a second)
the Antichrist on his heels to distort the message, and replace it with
a stupid doctrine of "redemption by the blood of Christ". Einstein did
not wait three months (not even three months) to copy Poincaré's
transformations, and by claiming "that he does not know this gentleman".
Don't laugh friends, it's not funny. Except that before he died,
Einstein said: "Yes, I had read Poincaré, and no man in the world had
ever subjugated me like him." Yet Einstein never quotes Poincaré in his
writings. There is something very surprising about this if you think
about it."

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-25 19:44:52 UTC

Jan

I hate to resort to ad hominem, but Einstein's character is unavoidably
involved. He is known to have claimed not to have known of the MMX when
he wrote his 1905 paper. He also claimed to have read before the 1905
article a lengthy 1890 article with a long discussion of the MMX by
then, thus contradicting himself. I do not regard him as honest. I
regard his theory to be as fake as it can be.

Richard Hachel

2024-12-25 22:10:32 UTC

Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
I hate to resort to ad hominem, but Einstein's character is unavoidably
involved. He is known to have claimed not to have known of the MMX when
he wrote his 1905 paper. He also claimed to have read before the 1905
article a lengthy 1890 article with a long discussion of the MMX by
then, thus contradicting himself. I do not regard him as honest. I
regard his theory to be as fake as it can be.

What theory?
He spent his life copying other people's.
He was just a very average student with no ability other than copying (he
was then sent to the Bern office and employed as a copyist).

You see Henri Poincaré sent as a copyist to Bern, you?

In my opinion, Albert Einstein was just a media creation, like Saint Paul
was a creation of the Roman Empire to soften the first Christian theories
by sweetening them with laughable and grotesque facts for an erudite Jew.

An erudite Jew will immediately laugh at the idea that the good Lord came
to mate with "Mary of Nazareth", a city that never existed except in the
sick brains of historians, and was created out of whole cloth in the
eighth century by the crusaders who were surprised not to find Nazareth on
the maps.

Albert Einstein is the same. When in 1905, the church was separated from
the state, a new prophet was needed to replace the church, and someone
charismatic enough to look like an old Jewish prophet.

Albert Einstein, unable to solve an equation involving an integral, was
then mandated for the role, as Rome mandated Saint Paul.

Remember Saint Paul's boast: "Being authorized to teach and free in all my
movements".

This is how the Acts of the Apostles end.

The guy who doesn't flinch, at a time when Christians were being thrown to
the lions or crucified, is because he's frankly stupid.

I flinched right away.

R.H.

neus

2024-12-25 22:56:59 UTC

What theory?
He spent his life copying other people's.
He was just a very average student with no ability other than copying
(he was then sent to the Bern office and employed as a copyist).
You see Henri Poincaré sent as a copyist to Bern, you?
In my opinion, Albert Einstein was just a media creation, like Saint
Paul was a creation of the Roman Empire to soften the first Christian
theories by sweetening them with laughable and grotesque facts for an
erudite Jew.
An erudite Jew will immediately laugh at the idea that the good Lord
came to mate with "Mary of Nazareth", a city that never existed except
in the sick brains of historians, and was created out of whole cloth in
the eighth century by the crusaders who were surprised not to find
Nazareth on the maps.
Albert Einstein is the same. When in 1905, the church was separated from
the state, a new prophet was needed to replace the church, and someone
charismatic enough to look like an old Jewish prophet.
Albert Einstein, unable to solve an equation involving an integral, was
then mandated for the role, as Rome mandated Saint Paul.
--------------------------

Saint Paul was mandated by God.

Richard Hachel

2024-12-26 00:00:35 UTC

Post by neus

What theory?
He spent his life copying other people's.
He was just a very average student with no ability other than copying
(he was then sent to the Bern office and employed as a copyist).
You see Henri Poincaré sent as a copyist to Bern, you?
In my opinion, Albert Einstein was just a media creation, like Saint
Paul was a creation of the Roman Empire to soften the first Christian
theories by sweetening them with laughable and grotesque facts for an
erudite Jew.
An erudite Jew will immediately laugh at the idea that the good Lord
came to mate with "Mary of Nazareth", a city that never existed except
in the sick brains of historians, and was created out of whole cloth in
the eighth century by the crusaders who were surprised not to find
Nazareth on the maps.
Albert Einstein is the same. When in 1905, the church was separated from
the state, a new prophet was needed to replace the church, and someone
charismatic enough to look like an old Jewish prophet.
Albert Einstein, unable to solve an equation involving an integral, was
then mandated for the role, as Rome mandated Saint Paul.
--------------------------

Saint Paul was mandated by God.

Impossible.
Too many contradictions in his behavior.
His false humility, his false miracles, his false apparition (that no one
sees), his false doctrine, his prediction by Jesus Christ (that the
Antichrist was already of this world and was going to manifest himself to
take the place of the apostle of God, his blessing of the Empire (he
benefited from the protection of 70 horsemen, and had the right to travel
the empire, while the Christians were being crucified).
All this does not hold up to a second.
As for his style, it is easy to take down; he says hidden things that
could be taken for mysteries, but becomes laughable in things that are not
hidden, and when he says that pure souls will flutter around the good
Lord, or that the eye has not seen the greatness of God, and that he uses
quantities of abstract and incomprehensible terms, etc...
It is clearer than a thousand fires when you have the key.
He is obviously a nutcase who mandated himself, and whose goal was to
torpedo the doctrine of Jesus Christ from within. His position is also
extremely intelligent, he does not deny Jesus Christ, but distorts him
from within. It is much more sordid and effective.

R.H.

J. J. Lodder

2024-12-29 09:53:38 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

What don't you understand about:

-Yet, .., Einstein did the work and not the mathematicians.-

Jan

Maciej Wozniak

2024-12-29 10:50:58 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

-Yet, .., Einstein did the work and not the mathematicians.-

Sure - he was an idiot, not the mathematicians.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-01 21:53:50 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

-Yet, .., Einstein did the work and not the mathematicians.-
Jan

All honest and logical people will recognize that Hilbert was pointing
out that was impossible because it was a non-sequitur.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-25 21:59:30 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;

"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."

"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert

There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

J. J. Lodder

2024-12-29 15:06:47 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
Hilbert goes on to state that:
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.

You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====

Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.

You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.

Jan

rhertz

2024-12-29 17:37:01 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies, asshole. You'd give your life for Einstein, don't
you?

Which form of field equation IS WIDELY TAUGHT?

HILBERT: R_uv - 1/2 R g_uv = 8πG/c^4 T_uv

Einstein: G_uv = k T_uv

Which one is known, asshole?

J. J. Lodder

2024-12-31 08:16:21 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]

Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?

Jan

Ross Finlayson

2024-12-31 20:06:50 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

In Huerter's book "Too Big for a Single Mind"
he says that Hilbert was always saying that
he came up with these before Einstein did.

He relays they were on friendly terms,
after quite a spat, about it.

Yet, at least some sources say Hilbert was first.

Richard Hachel

2024-12-31 20:33:28 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

In Huerter's book "Too Big for a Single Mind"
he says that Hilbert was always saying that
he came up with these before Einstein did.
He relays they were on friendly terms,
after quite a spat, about it.
Yet, at least some sources say Hilbert was first.

The time will come when people will say, when Einstein was seven years
old, he already knew all the equations of geometry in 26 dimensions.

And they will say: "At 12, he taught Hilbert, and Gross how to calculate
the horizon of the black hole in an eighty-dimensional universe".

Don't laugh, friends.

You don't know yet the depth of human stupidity.

R.H.

Ross Finlayson

2025-01-01 05:47:44 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

In Huerter's book "Too Big for a Single Mind"
he says that Hilbert was always saying that
he came up with these before Einstein did.
He relays they were on friendly terms,
after quite a spat, about it.
Yet, at least some sources say Hilbert was first.

The time will come when people will say, when Einstein was seven years
old, he already knew all the equations of geometry in 26 dimensions.
And they will say: "At 12, he taught Hilbert, and Gross how to calculate
the horizon of the black hole in an eighty-dimensional universe".
Don't laugh, friends.
You don't know yet the depth of human stupidity.
R.H.

One way to look at it is that Einstein is mostly the outside,
that inside physics, you basically mentally remove Einstein,
then instead see all the giants that built him.

For Einstein this is:
make a mental model,
of a model philosopher's,
model physicist.

The philosopher does the thinking -
the physicist just computes.

So, let the public have their model physicist
or model philosopher, Einstein, since
familiarity breeds contempt.

Anybody's perspectives are through a lens,
their lens, Huerter's for example, some of
it is "that's biographical and attempts to
relate to the concepts and furthermore second-guess
what people were thinking", then sometimes that
comes across as a tid-bit of information then a
tid-bit of mis-information, that gullible readers
thusly get primed to believe some information because
"why would he not" then some mis-information or
opinion, why, biography's opinionated, thus biased.

Like the old tape-worm joke, ....

Einstein's theory of relativity itself ends up
not saying much at all, then all the various
empirical things associated, like "predicted this"
or "predicted that", pretty much have always that
"the mathematics of singularity theory at the
ends is what does all that, and,
singularities in singularity theories
are multiplicities in multiplicity theory".

Anyways, anybody who says "Einstein says"
pretty much does not know. Yet, it is the
most usual explanation for relativistic effects
like space contraction. And, both "cosmological
constant", in the gravitational equations,
which is a mathematical infinitesimal in the real,
and, "mass-energy equivalency", are, ..., so, ...,
or Einstein's "greatest blunder" the cosmological
constant is about also his greatest contribution,
to the physics, while his tireless application and
wide research helped bring together and simplify
very much, a usual abstraction of concern.

Ross Finlayson

2025-01-01 05:58:03 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

In Huerter's book "Too Big for a Single Mind"
he says that Hilbert was always saying that
he came up with these before Einstein did.
He relays they were on friendly terms,
after quite a spat, about it.
Yet, at least some sources say Hilbert was first.

The time will come when people will say, when Einstein was seven years
old, he already knew all the equations of geometry in 26 dimensions.
And they will say: "At 12, he taught Hilbert, and Gross how to calculate
the horizon of the black hole in an eighty-dimensional universe".
Don't laugh, friends.
You don't know yet the depth of human stupidity.
R.H.

One way to look at it is that Einstein is mostly the outside,
that inside physics, you basically mentally remove Einstein,
then instead see all the giants that built him.
make a mental model,
of a model philosopher's,
model physicist.
The philosopher does the thinking -
the physicist just computes.
So, let the public have their model physicist
or model philosopher, Einstein, since
familiarity breeds contempt.
Anybody's perspectives are through a lens,
their lens, Huerter's for example, some of
it is "that's biographical and attempts to
relate to the concepts and furthermore second-guess
what people were thinking", then sometimes that
comes across as a tid-bit of information then a
tid-bit of mis-information, that gullible readers
thusly get primed to believe some information because
"why would he not" then some mis-information or
opinion, why, biography's opinionated, thus biased.
Like the old tape-worm joke, ....
Einstein's theory of relativity itself ends up
not saying much at all, then all the various
empirical things associated, like "predicted this"
or "predicted that", pretty much have always that
"the mathematics of singularity theory at the
ends is what does all that, and,
singularities in singularity theories
are multiplicities in multiplicity theory".
Anyways, anybody who says "Einstein says"
pretty much does not know. Yet, it is the
most usual explanation for relativistic effects
like space contraction. And, both "cosmological
constant", in the gravitational equations,
which is a mathematical infinitesimal in the real,
and, "mass-energy equivalency", are, ..., so, ...,
or Einstein's "greatest blunder" the cosmological
constant is about also his greatest contribution,
to the physics, while his tireless application and
wide research helped bring together and simplify
very much, a usual abstraction of concern.

"Familiarity breeds contempt" means that
nosy gossips eventually hate everyone around
them, who when they find out, hate them, too.

So, it's easier to have some respect, by keeping some.

It's like, if you think people are bad, maybe you are,
not of course to forgive wrongdoing just not to suppose it,
yeah if you think everyone around is crazy, it's probably so.

Anyways you're welcome to attack the theory, have at it.

Anyways Einstein's limits as it were are quite well established,
Einstein's "Out of My Later Years" summarizes his constant after
opinion of "Einstein's Relativity Theory: Not Popular Relativity".

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-02 00:24:58 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

In Huerter's book "Too Big for a Single Mind"
he says that Hilbert was always saying that
he came up with these before Einstein did.
He relays they were on friendly terms,
after quite a spat, about it.
Yet, at least some sources say Hilbert was first.

Einstein did not have the trace term Hilbert kept out of his letter to
Einstein giving him the equations before Einstein published. Although
Hilbert's talk was before Einstein's Hilbert published after him and
accused Hilbert of plagiarism. When Hilbert went to the printers to
get his proofs to show his priority the trace term had been made
illegible. Hilbert broke off relations with Einstein. Due to Hilbert's
dependence on his university job and Einstein's powerful friends Hilbert
made the above quoted statement so as not to straightforwardly accuse
Einstein of plagiarism while clearly conveying to every honest person
that Einstein was guilty. - This accounting is reliant upon that of
Jeremy Fiennes in his new book "Einstein Unmasked" (c.2024) which is
carefully footnoted with primary sources.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-01 22:03:36 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

J. J. Lodder

2025-01-02 10:42:14 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.

BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."

Jan

Maciej Wozniak

2025-01-02 10:52:15 UTC

Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this.

Sure - either one or both were fabricated
by Einstein's obedient doggies.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-02 19:25:57 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."
Jan

As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.

rhertz

2025-01-02 21:43:25 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."
Jan

As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.

Not all the history can be erased. About his "1905 papers":

1) The Journal Annalen der Physik was at the center of the multilevel
plot.

2) Willy Wien was the Chief Editor for Experimental Physics and Max
Planck was the Chief Editor for THEORETICAL PHYSICS at the journal. YET,
it was Wien, who had many unsolved issues with Planck, who authorized
the first paper (photoelectric effect). The paper was used to TRASH
Planck since page 1. Wien (a Nobel Prize by then) HAD ALL THE CONTACTS
with every physicist in Europe, and in particular with Lenard (another
Nobel Prize), who discovered and documented the photoelectric effect on
metals under UV radiation. This paper IS THE ONLY ONE that cites many,
many references and, CLEARLY, WAS NOT WRITTEN BY EINSTEIN but by Wien.
He tried to downplay the value of Planck's "h" by INVENTING a new
constant, and negating "h" along all the paper, except in a brief
section. He also INSINUATED that "h" was wrong.

3) After this first paper, Wien and Drude authorized a second paper,
which plagiarized several other papers in different countries about the
brownian movement.

4) The THIRD ONE (SR) was a plagiarism of years of work of Lorentz,
Poincaré and others, and is treated separately along with the fourth one
(E=mc^2).

5) Wien also awarded Einstein with a job, in 1905, to CRITICIZE 19
papers submitted to the Annalen, for which Einstein received a nice
amount of money.
Merits so far? NONE. Einstein's relationship with physics community?
NONE.
Einstein and his wife wrote the reviews. They needed the money badly.

6) When he was a little more known, by 1907, told to a journalist that
criticized his custom to NOT CITE REFERENCES: I'm not obliged to do so.

7) Read here HOW Poincaré ANTICIPATED Einstein AND Minkowski by years.
Also watch how Poincaré's notation IS WHAT IS USED TODAY. Poincaré
credited Lorentz for his work, and named the transforms as Lorentz
Transforms, after getting rid of the ether reference (which Einstein
plagiarized from BOTH).

Deux Mémoires de Henri Poincaré sur la Physique Mathématique

https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Deux_M%C3%A9moires_de_Henri_Poincar%C3%A9_sur_la_Physique_Math%C3%A9matique

8) Einstein PLAGIARIZED von Soldner's theory about starlight deflection
(1801), Voigt's theory about wave equations transforms (1887), Gerber's
theory about Mercury (1897), Hilbert's development of GR field equation
(1915), AND APPROPIATED THE DUE CREDITS TO Besso (Mercury, 1913) and
Grossman's ENTIRE MATHEMATICAL BODY of GR (1913). Also DENIED the
generous help given by Levi-Civita during 1915 (letters are missing) AND
Schwarzschild (same year).

There is also a quarrel due to plagiarism of the work of a female
physicist (1909) about thermodynamics, a history behind the 18"/cy by
making one of his slaves to use Nordstrom's theory (1913), a denial
about the contributions of Lorentz and Ehrenfest during 1915, took
advantage Pick in 1912, Bose in 1922. The LIST is too long to write
here.

*************************************************************************
ALBERT EINSTEIN. Plagiarist of the Century

http://allais.maurice.free.fr/English/Einstein1.htm

Note by the webmaster

I wish to add some personal remarks to the above article.

These remarks relate to the political climate prevailing between France
and Germany during these years which preceded the First World War. It
was really a very bad climate which may bring some light on the
misbehavior of the young Einstein (26 years old). He may have been
manipulated by his editors, who bear an overwhelming responsibility.

Obviously, the plagiarism in 1905 by Einstein of Lorentz's and Poincaré
's ideas has necessitated the entire complicity of the editors of the
Annalen der Physik.

Yet, it is somewhat difficult to admit that Einstein could not know the
work of Poincaré. But as regards the editors, this is strictly
impossible.

How these people belonging to the medium of the scientific editions
could make such a filoutery with regard to a scientist as eminent and
known over the world as was Poincaré? How could they admit publishing
the paper of Einstein not comprising any reference, whereas it is an
absolute rule practiced internationally in editions of this kind,
violating thus knowingly and deliberately the ethics of their own
profession?

It is interesting to remind the political climate between France and
Germany in these years which preceded the First World War. It cannot in
any way be an excuse, but it may be an explanation.

Let's remind :

<snip text about the international context by 1905, targeting France>

It results from what precedes that the Franco-German climate in 1904 and
1905 was more than hateful. Already maintained by the question of Alsace
Lorraine, all were ready to fight and one can be assured that the public
opinions of the two countries followed these events with passion.

In this context, to diddle Poincaré was a kind of revenge that a small
editor offered to his country against these Frenchmen who tread on their
toes…

But it must also be said that Einstein accepted it without any scruple
and never expressed any remorse...

With regard to the editor of Annalen der Physik, the physicist Paul
DRUDE, it should be known that he committed suicide the following year
in July 1906.

All the German scientists certainly knew about the plagiarism
and it is probable that many of them become indignant about it. DRUDE
had to
become aware of the hugeness of his fault and drew to the conclusions.
**********************************************************************

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-02 22:00:17 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."
Jan

As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.

1) The Journal Annalen der Physik was at the center of the multilevel
plot.
2) Willy Wien was the Chief Editor for Experimental Physics and Max
Planck was the Chief Editor for THEORETICAL PHYSICS at the journal. YET,
it was Wien, who had many unsolved issues with Planck, who authorized
the first paper (photoelectric effect). The paper was used to TRASH
Planck since page 1. Wien (a Nobel Prize by then) HAD ALL THE CONTACTS
with every physicist in Europe, and in particular with Lenard (another
Nobel Prize), who discovered and documented the photoelectric effect on
metals under UV radiation. This paper IS THE ONLY ONE that cites many,
many references and, CLEARLY, WAS NOT WRITTEN BY EINSTEIN but by Wien.
He tried to downplay the value of Planck's "h" by INVENTING a new
constant, and negating "h" along all the paper, except in a brief
section. He also INSINUATED that "h" was wrong.
3) After this first paper, Wien and Drude authorized a second paper,
which plagiarized several other papers in different countries about the
brownian movement.
4) The THIRD ONE (SR) was a plagiarism of years of work of Lorentz,
Poincaré and others, and is treated separately along with the fourth one
(E=mc^2).
5) Wien also awarded Einstein with a job, in 1905, to CRITICIZE 19
papers submitted to the Annalen, for which Einstein received a nice
amount of money.
Merits so far? NONE. Einstein's relationship with physics community?
NONE.
Einstein and his wife wrote the reviews. They needed the money badly.
6) When he was a little more known, by 1907, told to a journalist that
criticized his custom to NOT CITE REFERENCES: I'm not obliged to do so.
7) Read here HOW Poincaré ANTICIPATED Einstein AND Minkowski by years.
Also watch how Poincaré's notation IS WHAT IS USED TODAY. Poincaré
credited Lorentz for his work, and named the transforms as Lorentz
Transforms, after getting rid of the ether reference (which Einstein
plagiarized from BOTH).
Deux Mémoires de Henri Poincaré sur la Physique Mathématique
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Deux_M%C3%A9moires_de_Henri_Poincar%C3%A9_sur_la_Physique_Math%C3%A9matique
8) Einstein PLAGIARIZED von Soldner's theory about starlight deflection
(1801), Voigt's theory about wave equations transforms (1887), Gerber's
theory about Mercury (1897), Hilbert's development of GR field equation
(1915), AND APPROPIATED THE DUE CREDITS TO Besso (Mercury, 1913) and
Grossman's ENTIRE MATHEMATICAL BODY of GR (1913). Also DENIED the
generous help given by Levi-Civita during 1915 (letters are missing) AND
Schwarzschild (same year).
There is also a quarrel due to plagiarism of the work of a female
physicist (1909) about thermodynamics, a history behind the 18"/cy by
making one of his slaves to use Nordstrom's theory (1913), a denial
about the contributions of Lorentz and Ehrenfest during 1915, took
advantage Pick in 1912, Bose in 1922. The LIST is too long to write
here.
*************************************************************************
ALBERT EINSTEIN. Plagiarist of the Century
http://allais.maurice.free.fr/English/Einstein1.htm
Note by the webmaster
I wish to add some personal remarks to the above article.
These remarks relate to the political climate prevailing between France
and Germany during these years which preceded the First World War. It
was really a very bad climate which may bring some light on the
misbehavior of the young Einstein (26 years old). He may have been
manipulated by his editors, who bear an overwhelming responsibility.
Obviously, the plagiarism in 1905 by Einstein of Lorentz's and Poincaré
's ideas has necessitated the entire complicity of the editors of the
Annalen der Physik.
Yet, it is somewhat difficult to admit that Einstein could not know the
work of Poincaré. But as regards the editors, this is strictly
impossible.
How these people belonging to the medium of the scientific editions
could make such a filoutery with regard to a scientist as eminent and
known over the world as was Poincaré? How could they admit publishing
the paper of Einstein not comprising any reference, whereas it is an
absolute rule practiced internationally in editions of this kind,
violating thus knowingly and deliberately the ethics of their own
profession?
It is interesting to remind the political climate between France and
Germany in these years which preceded the First World War. It cannot in
any way be an excuse, but it may be an explanation.
<snip text about the international context by 1905, targeting France>
It results from what precedes that the Franco-German climate in 1904 and
1905 was more than hateful. Already maintained by the question of Alsace
Lorraine, all were ready to fight and one can be assured that the public
opinions of the two countries followed these events with passion.
In this context, to diddle Poincaré was a kind of revenge that a small
editor offered to his country against these Frenchmen who tread on their
toes…
But it must also be said that Einstein accepted it without any scruple
and never expressed any remorse...
With regard to the editor of Annalen der Physik, the physicist Paul
DRUDE, it should be known that he committed suicide the following year
in July 1906.
All the German scientists certainly knew about the plagiarism
and it is probable that many of them become indignant about it. DRUDE
had to
become aware of the hugeness of his fault and drew to the conclusions.
**********************************************************************

All this unscrupulousness, and only pseudoscience to show for it—a fraud
accomplished by chicanery. I keep finding relativity reduces to fakery,
especially in its pretenses of providing causative explanations. This is
the case with the equivalence principle, which pretends to explain the
cause of gravity while failing to do so.

rhertz

2025-01-02 22:15:37 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."
Jan

As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.

I forgot Willy Wien (1907) ADVISING Einstein about his "happiest
thought": Man, Loránd Eötvös did it around 1885! Didn't you know that?

I think that Wien was starting to know the true, crooked face of
Einstein. Never contacted again, as Einstein pivoted to suck Planc's
dick. Biggest ofense to Wien, who never forgave Planck for stealing his
"thunder".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6tv%C3%B6s_experiment

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-02 23:06:47 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."
Jan

As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.

I forgot Willy Wien (1907) ADVISING Einstein about his "happiest
thought": Man, Loránd Eötvös did it around 1885! Didn't you know that?
I think that Wien was starting to know the true, crooked face of
Einstein. Never contacted again, as Einstein pivoted to suck Planc's
dick. Biggest ofense to Wien, who never forgave Planck for stealing his
"thunder".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6tv%C3%B6s_experiment

That rest mass and inertial masses are the same is already in Newton.
The equivalence principle claims to explain the cause of gravity but
doesn't. Einstein thumbed his nose at Eotvos when he claimed that
gravity affects light differently than everything else.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-02 23:47:43 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."
Jan

As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.

I forgot Willy Wien (1907) ADVISING Einstein about his "happiest
thought": Man, Loránd Eötvös did it around 1885! Didn't you know that?
I think that Wien was starting to know the true, crooked face of
Einstein. Never contacted again, as Einstein pivoted to suck Planc's
dick. Biggest ofense to Wien, who never forgave Planck for stealing his
"thunder".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6tv%C3%B6s_experiment

Relativity teaches the mass-velocity relation that mass varies with
inertial motion and the equivalence principle that it does not. This is
how stupid relativity is.

J. J. Lodder

2025-01-02 21:56:35 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that,
Einstein did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."
Jan

As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.

Ah, so you are quote mining again. There are many versions, for example:
====
Einstein portrayed himself, correctly and unapologetically, as someone
who must appear as "unscrupulous opportunist" to the systematic
epistemologist by combining realism, idealism, and positivism in order
to advance his theorizing.
====

This is the right attitude with respect to philosophy
for any scientist who wants to get somewhere.
Who cares what a 'systematic epistemologist' may think about you?

Better still, don't listen to philosophers at all.
Feynman for example: "Philosophy of Science is as useful to scientists
as Ornithology is to birds." (unsourced)

Jan

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-02 22:09:14 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that,
Einstein did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
Jan

Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.

Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
and what he intended.
He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
"If only I could calculate like you..."
Jan

As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.

====
Einstein portrayed himself, correctly and unapologetically, as someone
who must appear as "unscrupulous opportunist" to the systematic
epistemologist by combining realism, idealism, and positivism in order
to advance his theorizing.
====
This is the right attitude with respect to philosophy
for any scientist who wants to get somewhere.
Who cares what a 'systematic epistemologist' may think about you?
Better still, don't listen to philosophers at all.
Feynman for example: "Philosophy of Science is as useful to scientists
as Ornithology is to birds." (unsourced)
Jan

You dress up the emperor in gauze. Through it we can see him appear as
he truly is, an "unscrupulous opportunist" charlatan.

Maciej Wozniak

2025-01-03 06:21:26 UTC

Post by J. J. Lodder
Feynman for example: "Philosophy of Science is as useful to scientists
as Ornithology is to birds." (unsourced)

And similarly uncomprehendable to their
birdy brains.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-01 21:59:51 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

You're a deceitful asshole with no regard for truth or logic. You have
not answered the argument given above by Hachel that Hilbert was under
their thumb which is clearly the truth.

Python

2025-01-01 22:03:42 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

You're a deceitful asshole with no regard for truth or logic. You have
not answered the argument given above by Hachel that Hilbert was under
their thumb which is clearly the truth.

"Laurence Clark Crossen" we know that you are a troll, posting nonsense
here only to get attention.

What's your point anyway?

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-01 22:11:07 UTC

Post by Python

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

You're a deceitful asshole with no regard for truth or logic. You have
not answered the argument given above by Hachel that Hilbert was under
their thumb which is clearly the truth.

"Laurence Clark Crossen" we know that you are a troll, posting nonsense
here only to get attention.
What's your point anyway?

We know you are a pointless relativistic dunce who can't comprehend
anything.

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2025-01-02 08:15:16 UTC

Post by Python

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

You're a deceitful asshole with no regard for truth or logic. You have
not answered the argument given above by Hachel that Hilbert was under
their thumb which is clearly the truth.

"Laurence Clark Crossen" we know that you are a troll, posting nonsense
here only to get attention.
What's your point anyway?

Do crackpots have points? What's Wozzie's point, for example? Or "Dr" Hachel's?

If memory serves, and it was you and not someone else, you were listing
our resident crackpots yesterday, but you forgot
LaurenceClaptrapCrackpot.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Maciej Wozniak

2025-01-02 09:56:38 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Python

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;
"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
did the work and not the mathematicians." â€” David Hilbert
There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the GÃ¶ttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====
Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.
You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.
Jan

You're a deceitful asshole with no regard for truth or logic. You have
not answered the argument given above by Hachel that Hilbert was under
their thumb which is clearly the truth.

"Laurence Clark Crossen" we know that you are a troll, posting
nonsense here only to get attention.
What's your point anyway?

Do crackpots have points? What's Wozzie's point, for example?

Of course I have, you're just too
dumb to ever comprehend it, Corrie
Bowie.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-25 22:23:21 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert said Einstein stole them.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-25 22:31:57 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert said Einstein stole them.

Then, who did he get them from?

J. J. Lodder

2024-12-29 15:06:46 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert said Einstein stole them.

Reference please?

Jan

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-02 00:12:15 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert said Einstein stole them.

Reference please?
Jan

Thank you for helping me make my estimate of relativity more accurate by
reducing it.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-26 21:52:04 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert did not disagree, as I have shown. Hilbert pointed out Einstein
didn't author the field equations because he could not.

Richard Hachel

2024-12-26 23:18:50 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert did not disagree, as I have shown. Hilbert pointed out Einstein
didn't author the field equations because he could not.

Einstein was a myth.

As Muhammad and Saint Paul.

R.H.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-26 23:37:40 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert did not disagree, as I have shown. Hilbert pointed out Einstein
didn't author the field equations because he could not.

Einstein was a myth.
As Muhammad and Saint Paul.
R.H.

Yes, Einstein was a fake. And as you said, "what theory?"

Thomas Heger

2024-12-29 08:57:52 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert did not disagree, as I have shown. Hilbert pointed out Einstein
didn't author the field equations because he could not.

Einstein was a myth.
As Muhammad and Saint Paul.
R.H.

Yes, Einstein was a fake. And as you said, "what theory?"

I had a similar idea long ago.

I had studied Einstein life and his CV and found, that it didn't make sense.

E.g. Einstein's family lived in Munich, when young Albert was still a kid.

Then they moved to Italy and opened a new company there.

But Albert stayed in Munich for some years alone, to attend school there.

But who would leave the eldest son alone in a different country??

Then Albert left school, declined German citizenship and went to Pavia,
Italy, where his family lived at that time.

He was about 16 years old and had to go to school in Italy.

But apparently he didn't want, most likely he didn't speak Italian.

So he stayed there for some time, without going to school, despite he
had to.

Next door to the Einsteins in Pavia was a Jesuit facility. They write on
their website, that young Albert lived next door for a year (what I
actually believe).

Now Albert went (alone again) to Aarau, Switzerland, to attend school there.

But since when was this allowed by the Swiss, who are/were not friendly
to foreigners (especially Germans) at all.

Next to this Einstein went to the prestigious ETH in Zurich and studied
there.

But that was even stranger, since he was actually a stateless alien.

He became Swiss soon, what was also astonishing.

Later he became an employee at the Swiss patent office.

This was quite extraordinary, since such state owned facilities contain
usually secrets, which are usually kept away from foreigners.

Therefore 'patent clerks' are usually 'Beamte', as sworn in employees of
the government are called in German.

That kind of status was usually only available for born citizens.

Much mare convincing would be an alternative explanation of his life:

he WAS Swiss from birth and his CV was a fake.

This would also fit to his (apparent) ability to speak French fluently.

This is not well known, but many people spoke French, to which Einstein
had contact (possibly friendship).

This were, for instance:

Marie Curie
George LeMaitre
Henry Poincare
Langvin

He also attended the 'Solveig conference', which was held in French.

Therefore 'Swiss' would be a relatively good bet.

TH

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-01 21:50:17 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert did not disagree, as I have shown. Hilbert pointed out Einstein
didn't author the field equations because he could not.

Einstein was a myth.
As Muhammad and Saint Paul.
R.H.

Yes, Einstein was a fake. And as you said, "what theory?"

I had a similar idea long ago.
I had studied Einstein life and his CV and found, that it didn't make sense.
E.g. Einstein's family lived in Munich, when young Albert was still a kid.
Then they moved to Italy and opened a new company there.
But Albert stayed in Munich for some years alone, to attend school there.
But who would leave the eldest son alone in a different country??
Then Albert left school, declined German citizenship and went to Pavia,
Italy, where his family lived at that time.
He was about 16 years old and had to go to school in Italy.
But apparently he didn't want, most likely he didn't speak Italian.
So he stayed there for some time, without going to school, despite he
had to.
Next door to the Einsteins in Pavia was a Jesuit facility. They write on
their website, that young Albert lived next door for a year (what I
actually believe).
Now Albert went (alone again) to Aarau, Switzerland, to attend school there.
But since when was this allowed by the Swiss, who are/were not friendly
to foreigners (especially Germans) at all.
Next to this Einstein went to the prestigious ETH in Zurich and studied
there.
But that was even stranger, since he was actually a stateless alien.
He became Swiss soon, what was also astonishing.
Later he became an employee at the Swiss patent office.
This was quite extraordinary, since such state owned facilities contain
usually secrets, which are usually kept away from foreigners.
Therefore 'patent clerks' are usually 'Beamte', as sworn in employees of
the government are called in German.
That kind of status was usually only available for born citizens.
he WAS Swiss from birth and his CV was a fake.
This would also fit to his (apparent) ability to speak French fluently.
This is not well known, but many people spoke French, to which Einstein
had contact (possibly friendship).
Marie Curie
George LeMaitre
Henry Poincare
Langvin
He also attended the 'Solveig conference', which was held in French.
Therefore 'Swiss' would be a relatively good bet.
TH

Thanks, as that is all fascinating. I also regard relativity as fake,
primarily because it pretends to explain causation without actually
doing so.

Thomas Heger

2025-01-03 08:02:13 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert did not disagree, as I have shown. Hilbert pointed out Einstein
didn't author the field equations because he could not.

Einstein was a myth.
As Muhammad and Saint Paul.
R.H.

Yes, Einstein was a fake. And as you said, "what theory?"

I had a similar idea long ago.
I had studied Einstein life and his CV and found, that it didn't make sense.
E.g. Einstein's family lived in Munich, when young Albert was still a kid.
Then they moved to Italy and opened a new company there.
But Albert stayed in Munich for some years alone, to attend school there.
But who would leave the eldest son alone in a different country??
Then Albert left school, declined German citizenship and went to Pavia,
Italy, where his family lived at that time.
He was about 16 years old and had to go to school in Italy.
But apparently he didn't want, most likely he didn't speak Italian.
So he stayed there for some time, without going to school, despite he
had to.
Next door to the Einsteins in Pavia was a Jesuit facility. They write on
their website, that young Albert lived next door for a year (what I
actually believe).
Now Albert went (alone again) to Aarau, Switzerland, to attend school there.
But since when was this allowed by the Swiss, who are/were not friendly
to foreigners (especially Germans) at all.
Next to this Einstein went to the prestigious ETH in Zurich and studied
there.
But that was even stranger, since he was actually a stateless alien.
He became Swiss soon, what was also astonishing.
Later he became an employee at the Swiss patent office.
This was quite extraordinary, since such state owned facilities contain
usually secrets, which are usually kept away from foreigners.
Therefore 'patent clerks' are usually 'Beamte', as sworn in employees of
the government are called in German.
That kind of status was usually only available for born citizens.
he WAS Swiss from birth and his CV was a fake.
This would also fit to his (apparent) ability to speak French fluently.
This is not well known, but many people spoke French, to which Einstein
had contact (possibly friendship).
Marie Curie
George LeMaitre
Henry Poincare
Langvin
He also attended the 'Solveig conference', which was held in French.
Therefore 'Swiss' would be a relatively good bet.
TH

Thanks, as that is all fascinating. I also regard relativity as fake,
primarily because it pretends to explain causation without actually
doing so.

Another interesting topic is language.

There exist several translations and if you compare the English and the
German version, you will find, that the German version is somehow
'weaker' and the English better written and not always similar in the
content.

A good bet would be, that Einstein wasn't the author of 'On the
electrodynamics of moving bodies' and that was actually written by
somebody unknown in a different language.

It is, of course, very difficult to explain the weakness of Einstein's
langugage to someone, who is not a native speaker of German and also
fluent speaker in English.

You also need to understand the topic and need to have incentive to
compare both versions.

So, more or less nobody did that so far.

But I'm doing this and compare both versions from a linguistic perspective.

And I have the impression, that this text is actually a translation,
possibly from French or English, hence Einstein wasn't the real author.

This 'impression' is more a 'feeling' and difficult to explain. It has
to do with language and how German is contracted and what is good German
and what is not.

TH

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-27 17:41:17 UTC

Hilbert disagreed,
Jan

Hilbert did not disagree, as I have shown. Hilbert pointed out Einstein
didn't author the field equations because he could not.

Einstein was a myth.
As Muhammad and Saint Paul.
R.H.

I am sure Muhammad is a purely fictional character as shown by Robert
Spencer's books, "Did Muhammad Exist" & "Muhammad: A Critical
Biography."

Richard Hachel

2024-12-25 15:07:59 UTC

Einstein was the greatest crook of all time.

With the interested complicity of German physicists, even Anglo-Americans,
too embarrassed that the theory of resistivity was an Irish invention
(Joseph Larmor) finalized by a Frenchman (Henri Poincaré).

Einstein, absolutely useless in maths (I don't even know if he had
Hachel's level (Baccalaureate level), would never have been able to write
at 27 years old in September 1905 the Lorentz transformations, if
Poincaré had not sent them to him in Bern, in June of the same year.

General relativity (which requires obvious mathematical skills) could not
have been written by him either, who could barely do an integration at the
first year university level.

It was Hilbert and Gross who wrote his equations for him.

There are in the human universe, three immense crooks.

-Muhammad, Saint-Paul, Anbert Einstein.

I don't know any greater ones.

All the others are below.

R.H.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2024-12-25 18:03:44 UTC

Einstein was the greatest crook of all time.
With the interested complicity of German physicists, even
Anglo-Americans,
too embarrassed that the theory of resistivity was an Irish invention
(Joseph Larmor) finalized by a Frenchman (Henri Poincaré).
Einstein, absolutely useless in maths (I don't even know if he had
Hachel's level (Baccalaureate level), would never have been able to write
at 27 years old in September 1905 the Lorentz transformations, if
Poincaré had not sent them to him in Bern, in June of the same year.
General relativity (which requires obvious mathematical skills) could not
have been written by him either, who could barely do an integration at the
first year university level.
It was Hilbert and Gross who wrote his equations for him.
There are in the human universe, three immense crooks.
-Muhammad, Saint-Paul, Anbert Einstein.
I don't know any greater ones.
All the others are below.
R.H.

While examining relativity to see how it affects my conjecture, I keep
finding that it is astoundingly poor science. The many times Einstein
was found guilty of petitio principii testify to his underhandedness.
This is not how an above-board, forthright person argues. His followers
are impoverished at reasoning skills.

Mild Shock

2025-01-02 22:18:00 UTC

Hi,

Post by Richard Hachel
Einstein, absolutely useless in maths

Or he was extremly good in math, he skipped a lot,
which got him reprimanded at ETH, but he nevertheless
made it to:

Specialist teacher in mathematics
https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/associates/ethlibrary-dam/documents/Standorteundmedien/Plattformen/EinsteinOnline/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich/Matrikel_Einstein.pdf

Could be also the case that the Gymnasium gave
him already enough math:

6 = best
Algebra 6
Geometrie 6
Darstellende Geometrie 6
Physik 6
https://einstein-website.de/albert-einstein-abiturzeugnis/

Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

Einstein was the greatest crook of all time.
With the interested complicity of German physicists, even
Anglo-Americans, too embarrassed that the theory of resistivity was an
Irish invention (Joseph Larmor) finalized by a Frenchman (Henri Poincaré).
Einstein, absolutely useless in maths (I don't even know if he had
Hachel's level (Baccalaureate level), would never have been able to
write at 27 years old in September 1905 the Lorentz transformations, if
Poincaré had not sent them to him in Bern, in June of the same year.
General relativity (which requires obvious mathematical skills) could
not have been written by him either, who could barely do an integration
at the first year university level.
It was Hilbert and Gross who wrote his equations for him.
There are in the human universe, three immense crooks.
-Muhammad, Saint-Paul, Anbert Einstein.
I don't know any greater ones.
All the others are below.
R.H.

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-03 04:48:36 UTC

Ibram X. Kendi has a university chair, yet he is a nitwit. Obama got a
Nobel for doing nothing. Yasser Arafat got a Nobel prize for terrorist
activities. Your argument amounts to an appeal to credentials or ad
verecundium.

Mild Shock

2025-01-03 12:53:51 UTC

You completely misunderstand how conservative
and backwards academia and universities can be.

Post by Mild Shock
Or he was extremly good in math, he skipped a lot,
which got him reprimanded at ETH, but he nevertheless
Specialist teacher in mathematics
https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/associates/ethlibrary-dam/documents/Standorteundmedien/Plattformen/EinsteinOnline/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich/Matrikel_Einstein.pdf
Einstein was disappointed that several newer theories

of physics were not covered at the Poly, such as James
Clerk Maxwell's theory of the electromagnetic field

Post by Mild Shock
Ibram X. Kendi has a university chair, yet he is a nitwit. Obama got a
Nobel for doing nothing. Yasser Arafat got a Nobel prize for terrorist
activities. Your argument amounts to an appeal to credentials or ad
verecundium.

Mild Shock

2025-01-03 12:55:11 UTC

You completely misunderstand how conservative
and backwards academia and universities can be.

Post by Mild Shock
Or he was extremly good in math, he skipped a lot,
which got him reprimanded at ETH, but he nevertheless
Specialist teacher in mathematics

https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/associates/ethlibrary-dam/documents/Standorteundmedien/Plattformen/EinsteinOnline/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich/Matrikel_Einstein.pdf

Post by Mild Shock
Einstein was disappointed that several newer
theories of physics were not covered at the Poly,
such as James Clerk Maxwell's theory of the
electromagnetic field

https://library.ethz.ch/standorte-und-medien/plattformen/einstein-online/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich-1896-1900.html

Mild Shock

2025-01-03 13:07:47 UTC

Hi,

Corr.: misunderstand ~~> underestimate

Bye

Post by Mild Shock
You completely misunderstand how conservative
and backwards academia and universities can be.

Post by Mild Shock
Or he was extremly good in math, he skipped a lot,
which got him reprimanded at ETH, but he nevertheless
Specialist teacher in mathematics

https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/associates/ethlibrary-dam/documents/Standorteundmedien/Plattformen/EinsteinOnline/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich/Matrikel_Einstein.pdf

Post by Mild Shock
Einstein was disappointed that several newer
theories of physics were not covered at the Poly,
such as James Clerk Maxwell's theory of the
electromagnetic field

https://library.ethz.ch/standorte-und-medien/plattformen/einstein-online/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich-1896-1900.html

J. J. Lodder

2025-01-03 13:38:20 UTC

Post by Richard Hachel
Einstein, absolutely useless in maths

Or he was extremly good in math, he skipped a lot,
which got him reprimanded at ETH, but he nevertheless
Specialist teacher in mathematics
https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/associates/ethlibrary-dam/documents/Standorte

undmedien/Plattformen/EinsteinOnline/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich/Matrikel_Einstein.pdf

Post by Mild Shock
Could be also the case that the Gymnasium gave
6 = best
Algebra 6
Geometrie 6
Darstellende Geometrie 6
Physik 6
https://einstein-website.de/albert-einstein-abiturzeugnis/
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
and he could also attack problems rapidly.
There is no lack of testimonials from contemporaries to that effect.
(including Hilbert)
Of course they all were very good, in the cirle of people who mattered,
like Lorentz, Planck, Ehrenfest, Pauli, etc,

Jan

Einstein was the greatest crook of all time.
With the interested complicity of German physicists, even
Anglo-Americans, too embarrassed that the theory of resistivity was an
Irish invention (Joseph Larmor) finalized by a Frenchman (Henri Poincaré).
Einstein, absolutely useless in maths (I don't even know if he had
Hachel's level (Baccalaureate level), would never have been able to
write at 27 years old in September 1905 the Lorentz transformations, if
Poincaré had not sent them to him in Bern, in June of the same year.
General relativity (which requires obvious mathematical skills) could
not have been written by him either, who could barely do an integration
at the first year university level.
It was Hilbert and Gross who wrote his equations for him.
There are in the human universe, three immense crooks.
-Muhammad, Saint-Paul, Anbert Einstein.
I don't know any greater ones.
All the others are below.
R.H.

Maciej Wozniak

2025-01-03 14:44:35 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

Richard Hachel

2025-01-03 16:27:38 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.
Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in Bern?
When will this political-media joke stop?

R.H.

Maciej Wozniak

2025-01-03 17:56:30 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.

Nope, his madness was quite unique in the history
of mankind.

Richard Hachel

2025-01-03 19:22:07 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.

Nope, his madness was quite unique in the history
of mankind.

Je ne le dirais pas comme ça, Einstein était loin d'être fou.

Malhonnête, oui, un peu. Fou, surement pas.

En prenant la place de Poincaré, puis en le déformant plus qu'en le
bonifiant, et en ne le citant jamais dans ses renvois, Albert Einstein n'a
jamais été clair.

Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand génie de l'histoire
était pour lui Poincaré, et qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale
avidité.

Je pense qu'une certaine forme de délire de grandeur a fait le reste,
poussé par la folie anglo-saxonne, qui, bien qu'antisémite parfois, a
toujours préféré Einstein à Poincaré, à une époque om la domination
intellectuelle du monde s'exerçait entre la France et l'Angleterre.

C'était à une époque d'avant guerre où l'Angleterre ne pouvait se
permettre d'avouer que le plus grand génie de l'humanité était
français, ni que ses paquebots insubmersibles pouvaient se péter tout
seul en deux quatre jours après leur mise à flot au milieu de l'océan
(14 avril 1912).

L'histoire est ce qu'on en fait, pas ce qu'elle a réellement fournie.

Même déclassifiées, certaines choses ne sont jamais sorties, tant on
n'ose toujours pas les dire.

R.H.

Mild Shock

2025-01-03 20:43:36 UTC

Hi,

Post by Richard Hachel
Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand
génie de l'histoire était pour lui Poincaré, et
qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale avidité.

Ha Ha good one, had me in the first half.

However, the most famous story is that Einstein’s
final words were spoken in German to a nurse who
was present at his bedside in the Princeton Hospital
on April 18, 1955. Unfortunately, the nurse didn't speak
German, so she couldn't understand what he said.

Nevertheless he is attribute to have said:

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

Bye

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.

Nope, his madness was quite unique in the history
of mankind.

Je ne le dirais pas comme ça, Einstein était loin d'être fou.
Malhonnête, oui, un peu. Fou, surement pas.
En prenant la place de Poincaré, puis en le déformant plus qu'en le
bonifiant, et en ne le citant jamais dans ses renvois, Albert Einstein
n'a jamais été clair.
Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand génie de l'histoire
était pour lui Poincaré, et qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale avidité.
Je pense qu'une certaine forme de délire de grandeur a fait le reste,
poussé par la folie anglo-saxonne, qui, bien qu'antisémite parfois, a
toujours préféré Einstein à Poincaré, à une époque om la domination
intellectuelle du monde s'exerçait entre la France et l'Angleterre.
C'était à une époque d'avant guerre où l'Angleterre ne pouvait se
permettre d'avouer que le plus grand génie de l'humanité était français,
ni que ses paquebots insubmersibles pouvaient se péter tout seul en deux
quatre jours après leur mise à flot au milieu de l'océan (14 avril 1912).
L'histoire est ce qu'on en fait, pas ce qu'elle a réellement fournie.
Même déclassifiées, certaines choses ne sont jamais sorties, tant on
n'ose toujours pas les dire.
R.H.

Richard Hachel

2025-01-03 21:06:03 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

This is very strange for someone who wrote:
"I cannot imagine a life after death. A God who will judge our actions and
such. It is up to those who believe in such nonsense." Einstein was a
profound atheist, although he openly supported the Jewish people.

R.H.

J. J. Lodder

2025-01-04 12:11:55 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

"I cannot imagine a life after death. A God who will judge our actions and
such. It is up to those who believe in such nonsense." Einstein was a
profound atheist, although he openly supported the Jewish people.

Don't worry, it is only your lack of understanding.
Work at it, and maybe you'll catch up,

Jan

rhertz

2025-01-03 21:14:41 UTC

Post by Richard Hachel
Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand
génie de l'histoire était pour lui Poincaré, et
qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale avidité.

Ha Ha good one, had me in the first half.
However, the most famous story is that Einstein’s
final words were spoken in German to a nurse who
was present at his bedside in the Princeton Hospital
on April 18, 1955. Unfortunately, the nurse didn't speak
German, so she couldn't understand what he said.
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

Actually, he said: "Ich habe sie alle gefickt und bin damit
durchgekommen".

Translation: "I fucked them all, and got away with it".

LaurenceClarkCrossen

2025-01-03 21:22:01 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.

Nope, his madness was quite unique in the history
of mankind.

Je ne le dirais pas comme ça, Einstein était loin d'être fou.
Malhonnête, oui, un peu. Fou, surement pas.
En prenant la place de Poincaré, puis en le déformant plus qu'en le
bonifiant, et en ne le citant jamais dans ses renvois, Albert Einstein n'a
jamais été clair.
Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand génie de l'histoire
était pour lui Poincaré, et qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale
avidité.
Je pense qu'une certaine forme de délire de grandeur a fait le reste,
poussé par la folie anglo-saxonne, qui, bien qu'antisémite parfois, a
toujours préféré Einstein à Poincaré, à une époque om la domination
intellectuelle du monde s'exerçait entre la France et l'Angleterre.
C'était à une époque d'avant guerre où l'Angleterre ne pouvait se
permettre d'avouer que le plus grand génie de l'humanité était
français, ni que ses paquebots insubmersibles pouvaient se péter tout
seul en deux quatre jours après leur mise à flot au milieu de l'océan
(14 avril 1912).
L'histoire est ce qu'on en fait, pas ce qu'elle a réellement fournie.
Même déclassifiées, certaines choses ne sont jamais sorties, tant on
n'ose toujours pas les dire.
R.H.

Babylon translation: "I wouldn't put it like that, Einstein was far from
crazy. Dishonest, yes, a little. Crazy, surely not. By taking Poincaré's
place, then distorting him more than improving him, and by never quoting
him in his references, Albert Einstein was never clear. He himself said
before he died that the greatest genius in history was Poincaré for him,
and that he had read his books with total avidity. I think that a
certain form of delirium of grandeur did the rest, driven by the
Anglo-Saxon madness, which, although anti-Semitic at times, always
preferred Einstein to Poincaré, at a time when the intellectual
domination of the world was exercised between France and England. It was
at a pre-war time when England could not afford to admit that the
greatest genius of mankind was French, nor that her unsinkable liners
could blow themselves in two four days after they were launched in the
middle of the ocean (April 14, 1912). History is what you make of it,
not what it actually provided. Even if declassified, some things have
never come out, as we still don't dare to say them. R.H."

Thomas Heger

2025-01-04 06:40:51 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.
Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in Bern?

Possibly as a spy?

Patent offices around the globe are usually protected against spies and
only born citizens are allowed as employees.

TH

Richard Hachel

2025-01-04 16:19:08 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.
Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in Bern?

Possibly as a spy?

C'est évident.

R.H.

Ross Finlayson

2025-01-05 02:04:06 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.
Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in Bern?

Possibly as a spy?

C'est évident.

R.H.

That's something I hadn't considered.

Not that it's relevant, ....

Einstein may be irascible and there are
plenty of things I'd rather not know,
yet as well I thoroughly read "Out of
My Later Years" though I'd excerpt the
inner chapters on science from his
social affairs, or about the exoteric
and esoteric social affairs vis-a-vis
the meat of the opinion relevant science,
if social affairs are what's the problem
then aggravating them makes them worse
so forget about them and let the science
do the talking.

Ross Finlayson

2025-01-05 02:05:14 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.
Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in Bern?

Possibly as a spy?

C'est évident.

R.H.

That's something I hadn't considered.
Not that it's relevant, ....
Einstein may be irascible and there are
plenty of things I'd rather not know,
yet as well I thoroughly read "Out of
My Later Years" though I'd excerpt the
inner chapters on science from his
social affairs, or about the exoteric
and esoteric social affairs vis-a-vis
the meat of the opinion relevant science,
if social affairs are what's the problem
then aggravating them makes them worse
so forget about them and let the science
do the talking.

For example, "observed dark matter and
dark energy long ago falsified both
Newtonian and Einsteinian theories
and furthermore Big Bang theory".

Ross Finlayson

2025-01-05 02:07:47 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.
Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in Bern?

Possibly as a spy?

C'est évident.

R.H.

That's something I hadn't considered.
Not that it's relevant, ....
Einstein may be irascible and there are
plenty of things I'd rather not know,
yet as well I thoroughly read "Out of
My Later Years" though I'd excerpt the
inner chapters on science from his
social affairs, or about the exoteric
and esoteric social affairs vis-a-vis
the meat of the opinion relevant science,
if social affairs are what's the problem
then aggravating them makes them worse
so forget about them and let the science
do the talking.

For example, "observed dark matter and
dark energy long ago falsified both
Newtonian and Einsteinian theories
and furthermore Big Bang theory".

(Or, of course, "expansionary and
inflationary theories after the
Big Bang, the Big Bang theory not
being falsifiable itself any more
than the Steady State theory is,
as the past is un-observable".)

... all falsified for decades with
science looking stupid saying it's
still right and looking for not-wrong.

Thomas Heger

2025-01-07 05:13:38 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.
Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in Bern?

Possibly as a spy?

C'est évident.

R.H.

That's something I hadn't considered.
Not that it's relevant, ....

...

It is actually relevant.

Einstein seems to fit into a HUGE cabal.

His work was seemingly part of a certain agenda, which is actually still
in operation by some kind of hidden circles.

Don't know, which agenda and which 'circles', but the objectives are,
about which the general public should be seemingly convinced:

elitism
atheism
materialism
hero and mastermind status of certain physicists
possibly communism and Zionism

This would fit very well to the program of the WEF and to what the
people there call 'The great reset'.

This is actually a new name for the older 'New World Order'.

It is kind of technocratic 'elitism', disguised as 'socialism'.

To me it would make some sense, that the very same groups had an agenda
also in much earlier stages 100+ years ago and started rather small with
the aim, to derail physics for the common people and replace it with crap.

In this category would fall (in my opinion) 'On the electrodynamics of
moving bodies'.

Now it would be essential to identify the hidden groups behind such an
agenda, which would require, to question all apparent afiliations of the
people involved (Einstein's in this case).

TH

Mild Shock

2025-01-03 20:29:37 UTC

Hi,

Einstein had further sympathetic features:

1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

2. talking walks with Gödel in Gödel
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
to U.S. immigration authorities:
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

5. What else?

Bye

Post by Richard Hachel
Einstein, absolutely useless in maths

undmedien/Plattformen/EinsteinOnline/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich/Matrikel_Einstein.pdf

Einstein was the greatest crook of all time.
With the interested complicity of German physicists, even
Anglo-Americans, too embarrassed that the theory of resistivity was an
Irish invention (Joseph Larmor) finalized by a Frenchman (Henri Poincaré).
Einstein, absolutely useless in maths (I don't even know if he had
Hachel's level (Baccalaureate level), would never have been able to
write at 27 years old in September 1905 the Lorentz transformations, if
Poincaré had not sent them to him in Bern, in June of the same year.
General relativity (which requires obvious mathematical skills) could
not have been written by him either, who could barely do an integration
at the first year university level.
It was Hilbert and Gross who wrote his equations for him.
There are in the human universe, three immense crooks.
-Muhammad, Saint-Paul, Anbert Einstein.
I don't know any greater ones.
All the others are below.
R.H.

J. J. Lodder

2025-01-04 12:11:56 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Hi,
1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

Named 'Tinef'. Still had it when he died.

Post by Mild Shock
2. talking walks with Gödel in Gödel
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

Yes, daily. Given Goedel's immense paranoia Einstein
was one of the very few people that he trusted.

Post by Mild Shock
3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

Unsourced, afaik. But it has the right ring to it.

Post by Mild Shock
4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

'Hogwarts' translates to 'Zweinstein'.

Post by Mild Shock
5. What else?

6. Filling in 'Human' under 'Race'
when having to fill in a form for the US Immigration Authorities.
Einstein: Yes Poincare: No

7. Having a nasty politician for nephew:
Einstein: No Poincare: yes

8. And finally, being a good, practical engineer:
Einsten: Yes Poincare: Yes

Jan

BTW, Those 'Avenue Poincare, 'Place Poincare' etc. are nor for him.
OTOH there are some genuine 'Einsteinplatz', 'Einsteinstrasse', etc.

Mild Shock

2025-01-03 20:30:46 UTC

Hi,

Einstein had further sympathetic features:

1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
to U.S. immigration authorities:
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
Einstein: Yes Poincaré: No

5. What else?

Bye

Post by Richard Hachel
Einstein, absolutely useless in maths

undmedien/Plattformen/EinsteinOnline/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich/Matrikel_Einstein.pdf

Einstein was the greatest crook of all time.
With the interested complicity of German physicists, even
Anglo-Americans, too embarrassed that the theory of resistivity was an
Irish invention (Joseph Larmor) finalized by a Frenchman (Henri Poincaré).
Einstein, absolutely useless in maths (I don't even know if he had
Hachel's level (Baccalaureate level), would never have been able to
write at 27 years old in September 1905 the Lorentz transformations, if
Poincaré had not sent them to him in Bern, in June of the same year.
General relativity (which requires obvious mathematical skills) could
not have been written by him either, who could barely do an integration
at the first year university level.
It was Hilbert and Gross who wrote his equations for him.
There are in the human universe, three immense crooks.
-Muhammad, Saint-Paul, Anbert Einstein.
I don't know any greater ones.
All the others are below.
R.H.

Thomas Heger

2025-01-04 06:49:05 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Hi,
1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
   Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
   Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
   Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
   Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
5. What else?

Sure, Einstein was certainly interesting.

Einstein was also a good musician and could play violin.

He was most likely fluent in French, because he was friend with people,
who didn't speak German (Marie Curie, for instance, or George Lemaitre).

Poincare, on the other hand, was an extremely good mathematician and
also a very productive theoretical physicist.

So, whom would you chose as - say- professor in theoretical physics???

Einstein would make an excellent musician, but Poincare would be the
better physicist, of course, because playing the violin wasn't necessary
for a physicist.

Also sailing small boats or talking with Gödel is nice, but not really a
requirement for a physics professor.

TH

...

TH

Mild Shock

2025-01-04 08:28:45 UTC

Poincare had quite some problems with the
formal revolution that took place as well
in the last 100 or more years, starting with

things like naive set theory and its antinomies,
ending with computer formalized proofs of the Keppler
packing nowadays. He wrote a lengthy book:

Science and method
by Poincaré, Henri, 1854-1912
https://archive.org/details/sciencemethod00poinuoft/page/n3/mode/2up

His struggle starts at page 160, The New Logics.
Similar Einstein was New Mechanics for him.
Mostlikely Poincaré nowadays would be a form of

Sabine Hossenfelder with 100 YouTube videos and
possibly many followers. Poincaré faced the
destiny of any old fart that became irrelevant

over the time and turned into a commentator.

Post by Mild Shock
Hi,
1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
5. What else?

Sure, Einstein was certainly interesting.
Einstein was also a good musician and could play violin.
He was most likely fluent in French, because he was friend with people,
who didn't speak German (Marie Curie, for instance, or George Lemaitre).
Poincare, on the other hand, was an extremely good mathematician and
also a very productive theoretical physicist.
So, whom would you chose as - say- professor in theoretical physics???
Einstein would make an excellent musician, but Poincare would be the
better physicist, of course, because playing the violin wasn't necessary
for a physicist.
Also sailing small boats or talking with Gödel is nice, but not really a
requirement for a physics professor.
TH
...
TH

Mild Shock

2025-01-04 08:40:31 UTC

Poincare has surely still a fellowship,
maybe a form of counter culture, similar like
Spencer Brown. Who halucinates a supervenient

logic over the logics from the formal revolution,
mostly appealing to diagrammtic reasoning.

"The mathematician Darboux claimed he was un
intuitif (an intuitive), arguing that this is
demonstrated by the fact that he worked so
often by visual representation. Jacques Hadamard
wrote that Poincaré's research demonstrated
marvelous clarity[76] and Poincaré himself wrote
that he believed that logic was not a way to
invent but a way to structure ideas and that
logic limits ideas."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9#Character

This is a very common psychological defense
mechanism, sometimes having even a religious

motivation, in that it is believed that the
face of God or Angels speak to humans through
mathematics. But once again with generative

AI and halucinating ChatGPT this humanist
monopole is challenged somehow even more.

Post by Mild Shock
Poincare had quite some problems with the
formal revolution that took place as well
in the last 100 or more years, starting with
things like naive set theory and its antinomies,
ending with computer formalized proofs of the Keppler
Science and method
by Poincaré, Henri, 1854-1912
https://archive.org/details/sciencemethod00poinuoft/page/n3/mode/2up
His struggle starts at page 160, The New Logics.
Similar Einstein was New Mechanics for him.
Mostlikely Poincaré nowadays would be a form of
Sabine Hossenfelder with 100 YouTube videos and
possibly many followers. Poincaré faced the
destiny of any old fart that became irrelevant
over the time and turned into a commentator.

Post by Mild Shock
Hi,
1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
5. What else?

Sure, Einstein was certainly interesting.
Einstein was also a good musician and could play violin.
He was most likely fluent in French, because he was friend with
people, who didn't speak German (Marie Curie, for instance, or George
Lemaitre).
Poincare, on the other hand, was an extremely good mathematician and
also a very productive theoretical physicist.
So, whom would you chose as - say- professor in theoretical physics???
Einstein would make an excellent musician, but Poincare would be the
better physicist, of course, because playing the violin wasn't
necessary for a physicist.
Also sailing small boats or talking with Gödel is nice, but not really
a requirement for a physics professor.
TH
...
TH

Mild Shock

2025-01-04 08:55:12 UTC

Hi,

Poincare is said to have never spent a long time on a
problem since he believed that the subconscious would
continue working on the problem while he consciously

worked on another problem. So he had a self model
that included some automatic processing. Mostlikely
Einstein used similar techniques, Einstein is said

to have slept about 10 hours a night, which is more
than the average adult needs, and often took naps
during the day. So both men managed and tapped into

their more holistic thinking. A nice example of
what is nowadays called "dual processing":

Dual-process accounts of reasoning postulate that there
are two systems or minds in one brain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_process_theory#Background

But dual processing is now challenged a little bit.
Just imagine a ChatGPT doing things when the end-user
is idle? Just like a chess program that continues

"thinking", when it is the opponents turn:

Yuval Noah Harari: ChatGPT is the “amoeba of AI evolution”

What will be the resulting physics?

Bye

Post by Mild Shock
Poincare has surely still a fellowship,
maybe a form of counter culture, similar like
Spencer Brown. Who halucinates a supervenient
logic over the logics from the formal revolution,
mostly appealing to diagrammtic reasoning.
"The mathematician Darboux claimed he was un
intuitif (an intuitive), arguing that this is
demonstrated by the fact that he worked so
often by visual representation. Jacques Hadamard
wrote that Poincaré's research demonstrated
that he believed that logic was not a way to
invent but a way to structure ideas and that
logic limits ideas."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9#Character
This is a very common psychological defense
mechanism, sometimes having even a religious
motivation, in that it is believed that the
face of God or Angels speak to humans through
mathematics. But once again with generative
AI and halucinating ChatGPT this humanist
monopole is challenged somehow even more.

Post by Mild Shock
Hi,
1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
5. What else?

Sure, Einstein was certainly interesting.
Einstein was also a good musician and could play violin.
He was most likely fluent in French, because he was friend with
people, who didn't speak German (Marie Curie, for instance, or George
Lemaitre).
Poincare, on the other hand, was an extremely good mathematician and
also a very productive theoretical physicist.
So, whom would you chose as - say- professor in theoretical physics???
Einstein would make an excellent musician, but Poincare would be the
better physicist, of course, because playing the violin wasn't
necessary for a physicist.
Also sailing small boats or talking with Gödel is nice, but not
really a requirement for a physics professor.
TH
...
TH

J. J. Lodder

2025-01-04 12:11:56 UTC

Sabine Hossenfelder otoh has been irrelevant all along.
Poincare made many significant contributions to mathematics,
physics, and enginering.
Some have stuck, like for example the Poincare group in relativity,

Jan

Thomas Heger

2025-01-05 08:12:39 UTC

Post by Mild Shock
Poincare had quite some problems with the
formal revolution that took place as well
in the last 100 or more years, starting with

Well, but physicists are not necessarily revolutionaries.

Science had such 'revolutions' from time to time.

But you can't demand, that someone needs to overthrow the mainstream
consensus.

Post by Mild Shock
things like naive set theory and its antinomies,
ending with computer formalized proofs of the Keppler
Science and method
by Poincaré, Henri, 1854-1912
https://archive.org/details/sciencemethod00poinuoft/page/n3/mode/2up
His struggle starts at page 160, The New Logics.
Similar Einstein was New Mechanics for him.

If his struggle started on page 160, he would be way better then
Einstein, because Einstein's troubles started in the first sentence.

Post by Mild Shock
Mostlikely Poincaré nowadays would be a form of
Sabine Hossenfelder with 100 YouTube videos and
possibly many followers. Poincaré faced the
destiny of any old fart that became irrelevant
over the time and turned into a commentator.

..

I don't think so, because Poincare was mainly a mathematician.

...

TH

Physfitfreak

2025-01-05 08:38:58 UTC

Mostlikely Poincaré nowadays would be a form of Sabine Hossenfelder with 100 YouTube videos and
possibly many followers. Poincaré faced the
destiny of any old fart that became irrelevant
over the time and turned into a commentator.

Poincare an old fart who became irrelevant? Last time I heard, those who
are in the know considered him the smartest mathematician in the history.

And this Hossenfelder of yours... So many of them in Europe, so blind,
so proud, thinking they represent the best that humanity has offered.
Talking like they're somebody!

A cro-magnon cannot be better described than this Hossenfelder of yours.
First off, ugly as hell. So ugly that she's frightening. I wouldn't dare
to be in a dark place with her! It would be like being there with a
deranged person not being able to see what she was doing. Cro-magnons
_are_ a deranged form of human. They're earlier humans still in
existence. And on borrowed time.

J. J. Lodder

2025-01-04 13:47:15 UTC