Post by Odd Bodkin Post by Ken Seto
No. The clock never ticks "faster" (or "slower") -- all clocks ALWAYS
tick at their usual rate, independent of their motion or location. This
is MUCH more subtle than clocks simply ticking faster or slower.
This seems to imply that a clock second is a universal interval of time....
No it doesn’t imply that. As is often the case, you manage to misunderstand
the simplest statements made on this newsgroup. This is why it is a futile
gesture to try to learn relativity by asking questions on the newsgroup.
Tom’s statement is that all clocks ALWAYS tick at their usual rate,
independent of their motion or location, IN THEIR OWN INERTIAL REFERENCE
FRAME. This does not mean that any clock ticks at the same rate in any
other inertial reference frame. Nor does it mean that if the clock is
measured to tick at a different rate in a different reference frame, then
the clock is now ticking at a different rate in its own frame.
odd, are you sure that what you wrote is meaningful??
clock A is tickling as its usual rate
clock B, differently moving, is, also, tickling at its usual rate
to make it simple we cancel the frame where they are at rest,
of course since nobody interfere with them, A and B keep their usual rate, correct??
if word have any meaning this means that the two clock are running at same rate.
that is impossible because seeing them both by a third observer they are tickling at
something is wrong with your assertion
I give you a hint: in the SR procedure, the clock at rest in its frame, is °°assumed** tickling
at its usual rate (instead it is tickling at a "lower hidden absolute rate")
just like the ruler, it is assumed to remain unchanged but it has an "hidden absolute contraction"
just like the two ways speed of light along the ruler, it is assumed to be invariant locally, but it is really
longer and longer as the ruler' speed is higher.
the poor local observer that you posit into a windowless room in order to fool him and to fool yourself,
is ridiculous, the ruler, the clock, the two way SOL are different according to the speed of them.
and the lenght of the ruler, the rate of the clock, and the two ways of the speed of light are different, and any observer can see that, regardless if they are aware of it, or regardless of any make beleive of your crooked logic.
at end, yes the clock A is measured going slower by a relatevely moving SR frame of yours, but this doesn't mean that clock A runs at its usual rate, it is just that you are pretending not to know that it is running at the its absolute "hidden" rate determined by its absolute "hidden" speed.
but you keep pretending not to know...to fool yourself
Post by Odd Bodkin
None of this is going to make any sense to you, until you change your
stance and start reading beginning physics books checked out from the
library for free. I know this is something that you can’t stand the thought
of. And so maybe the thing to come to terms with is that you are never
going to understand relativity, because you can’t do the prep work.
Post by Ken Seto
IOW, the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is corresponded to the
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