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Why can't relativists understand this?
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LaurenceClarkCrossen
2024-11-18 21:32:22 UTC
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Why can't relativists understand this?

A. There is no ether.
B. There is no ether wind.
C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.

Then, no experiments can demonstrate time dilation.
ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog
2024-11-18 22:00:44 UTC
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Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
Why can't relativists understand this?
A. There is no ether.
B. There is no ether wind.
C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.
Then, no experiments can demonstrate time dilation.
Except that time dilation is easily measurable.
So something is wrong with your logic.
LaurenceClarkCrossen
2024-11-18 22:22:04 UTC
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ProkaryoticCaspaseHo: It is easily detectable in the MMX. It has to be
an interpretation for the lack of an ether wind. The alleged time
dilation is coincidentally precisely the amount necessary to cancel the
ether wind, and its cause is unknown. This presumes an ether. Without an
ether, there is no conceivable time dilation. Your interpretation of the
experiment is wrong.
LaurenceClarkCrossen
2024-11-18 22:40:48 UTC
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ProkaryoticCaspaseHo: Time dilation presumes the existence of an ether.
Without an ether there is no time dilation. Einstein kept the LT to save
the ether and discarded the ether. You are standing on his shoulders,
making the same stupid mistake.
Richard Hachel
2024-11-18 22:49:09 UTC
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Post by ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog
Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
Why can't relativists understand this?
A. There is no ether.
B. There is no ether wind.
C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.
Then, no experiments can demonstrate time dilation.
Except that time dilation is easily measurable.
Yes.
Post by ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog
So something is wrong with your logic.
Absolutely.

R.H.
LaurenceClarkCrossen
2024-11-18 22:45:37 UTC
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ProkaryoticCaspaseHo: Congratulations! If you found time dilaton, you
saved the ether! Now modern science has an ether!
Maciej Wozniak
2024-11-19 00:09:05 UTC
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Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
Why can't relativists understand this?
A. There is no ether.
B. There is no ether wind.
C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.
Then, no experiments can demonstrate time dilation.
Except that time dilation is easily measurable.
A lie, as expected from relativistic trash;
and anyone can check GPS, time dilation
exists only in your gedanken delusions.
Richard Hachel
2024-11-18 23:03:06 UTC
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Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
Why can't relativists understand this?
A. There is no ether.
Non seulement il n'y a pas d'éther, mais il n'y a même pas d'espace
absolu.

"L'Eternel tisse sa toile quadrimentionnelle sur le néant" disent les
sages théoriciens relativistes hébreux.
Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
B. There is no ether wind.
Encore moins.
Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.
Le problème de compréhension vient d'un terme mal adapté.

Il ne faut pas dire "time dilation" mais "internal reciprocal chronotropy
dilation". Ce n'est pas le temps qui se dilate par changement de
référentiel, mais la façon dont la structure interne des montres
mesurent le temps.

To'=To/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)

Se joint alors un effet supplémentaire : l'effet Doppler externe sur les
temps.

On en arrive alors à t'=t(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)

C'est quelque chose que j'enseigne depuis quarante ans, mais l'idée en
est si haute qu'il semble impossible qu'un seul crétin de l'univers
puisse comprendre ce que je veux dire.

C'est la vie.

R.H.
LaurenceClarkCrossen
2024-11-19 21:39:03 UTC
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R.Hachel translated= "Not only is there no ether, but there is not even
absolute space. "The Lord weaves his four-dimensional web on
nothingness" say the wise Hebrew relativist theorists....... The problem
of comprehension comes from a mismatched term. We should not say "time
dilation" but "internal reciprocal chronotropy dilation". It is not time
that expands by changing the frame of reference, but the way in which
the internal structure of watches measures time. To'=To/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)
An additional effect is then added: the external Doppler effect on the
beats. We then come to t'=t(1+cosμ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²) This is something
I have been teaching for forty years, but the idea is so high that it
seems impossible that a single moron in the universe could understand
what I mean. That's life."

I do not buy length contraction either. I don't see any relevance to
your speculations.
Richard Hachel
2024-11-19 22:06:19 UTC
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Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
I do not buy length contraction either. I don't see any relevance to
your speculations.
Whether you agree or not, it doesn't change much.
As a general rule, no one agrees with everything I say, proof that what I
say is interesting.
I visit a lot of sites, a lot of sects, a lot of forums, a lot of
journalistic articles, and believe me, everyone has members.
A miraculous phenomenon (in the literal sense of a miracle) is the fact
that I have none, and that is what proves the quality of my positions and
my all-round reflections.
But it is not important whether we agree or not.
The sect gurus teach that the Martians will come to Earth, and they have
thousands of members, and the rest of humanity follows the general
right-thinking.
It is the immense human stupidity that counts the followers to know if
someone is lying or not.
We then reason with the fork.
There is dilation of the chronotropies (this is the effect that I call the
internal Doppler effect, the transverse term being to be banned), if we
add the elasticity of the external Doppler effect, this gives the
indisputable equation t'=t.(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²).
We find the same equation for the lengths.
l'=l.sqrt(1-v²/c²)/(1+cosµ.v/c)
and again the same equations for the relativity of electromagnetic waves:
λ'=λ(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²).

R.H.
The Starmaker
2024-11-20 18:58:27 UTC
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Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
R.Hachel translated= "Not only is there no ether, but there is not even
absolute space. "The Lord weaves his four-dimensional web on
nothingness" say the wise Hebrew relativist theorists....... The problem
of comprehension comes from a mismatched term. We should not say "time
dilation" but "internal reciprocal chronotropy dilation". It is not time
that expands by changing the frame of reference, but the way in which
the internal structure of watches measures time. To'=To/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)
An additional effect is then added: the external Doppler effect on the
beats. We then come to t'=t(1+cosμ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²) This is something
I have been teaching for forty years, but the idea is so high that it
seems impossible that a single moron in the universe could understand
what I mean. That's life."
I do not buy length contraction either. I don't see any relevance to
your speculations.
The quote: "The Lord weaves his four-dimensional web on
nothingness"

has nothing to do with science or physics. It is 100 percent a religious
quote.

Lawrence M. Krauss wrote a book entittled:


A Universe from Nothing



Nothing in Klaus religion means...God.

Since, according to Klaus religion, God is no thing.

also according to Klaus religion

God is also known as ayin "ay-yin") which means...Nothingness.



So, the title of Krauss book "A Universe from Nothing" translates to:


A Universe from God

or

God is Nothing





So, when yous say the universes comes from nothing/nothingness...you're
talking religion, not science.


Jewish scientists cannot be trusted.
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The Starmaker
2024-11-19 07:45:36 UTC
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Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
Why can't relativists understand this?
A. There is no ether.
B. There is no ether wind.
C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.
Then, no experiments can demonstrate time dilation.
Einsteins goal was to protect 'the speed of light'.

So he invented products like ether and time dilation
to keep it constant.

adhoc science.
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The Starmaker
2024-11-19 18:02:21 UTC
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Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
Why can't relativists understand this?
A. There is no ether.
B. There is no ether wind.
C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.
Then, no experiments can demonstrate time dilation.
Einsteins goal was to protect 'the speed of light'.
So he invented products like ether and time dilation
to keep it constant.
adhoc science.
In other words, Albert Einstien try to build a WALL around 'his'
constant 'speed of light' theory
by adding invisible products he invented to protect his constant 'speed
of light' theory from
outsiders trying to break down the wall.

All these products are all connected to 'his' constant 'speed of light'
theory.


Behind 'time dilation' is one thing, and one thing only..'his' constant
'speed of light' theory.



You hit a wall.



A wall He put-up.


You break down the wall, then ...
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LaurenceClarkCrossen
2024-11-19 18:43:05 UTC
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Starmaker: The speed of sound is the same regardless of the emitter's
speed. The speed of the observer must be added or subtracted. To deny
this for light is irrational nonsense = relativity. For any reasonable
person, this is enough to know Einstein was a quack.
LaurenceClarkCrossen
2024-11-19 21:09:47 UTC
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Starmaker: Whether light is a wave or a particle it necessarily has a
speed including that of the observer/destination.
The Starmaker
2024-11-20 05:33:04 UTC
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Post by The Starmaker
Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
Why can't relativists understand this?
A. There is no ether.
B. There is no ether wind.
C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.
Then, no experiments can demonstrate time dilation.
Einsteins goal was to protect 'the speed of light'.
So he invented products like ether and time dilation
to keep it constant.
adhoc science.
In other words, Albert Einstien try to build a WALL around 'his'
constant 'speed of light' theory
by adding invisible products he invented to protect his constant 'speed
of light' theory from
outsiders trying to break down the wall.
All these products are all connected to 'his' constant 'speed of light'
theory.
Behind 'time dilation' is one thing, and one thing only..'his' constant
'speed of light' theory.
You hit a wall.
A wall He put-up.
You break down the wall, then ...
another invisibles products Eistein came up with is a ....vacumn, there
is no such thing as a "vacuum"!


There does not exist 'a space entirely devoid of matter'.
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The Starmaker
2024-11-21 15:21:02 UTC
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is the sky above us or below us?
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Mikko
2024-11-19 09:20:41 UTC
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Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
Why can't relativists understand this?
Your question includes an assumption. Why do you assume that there
is an relartivist that does not understand all of that?
Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
A. There is no ether.
In a non-existence there is not much to understand.
But is there any quedje?
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B. There is no ether wind.
That is obvious from A.
Post by LaurenceClarkCrossen
C. Therefore, there is no time dilation.
That C does not follow from A and B is easily understood although
the required understanding is about logic and not relativity.
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Mikko
LaurenceClarkCrossen
2024-11-19 21:32:34 UTC
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Mikko: You use time dilation to prevent relative speeds for light?
Equally irrational.
LaurenceClarkCrossen
2024-11-19 21:42:52 UTC
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Mikko: By proving time dilation you have proven the ether. You have
saved it from the null result.
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