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[SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage
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2024-08-17 12:52:46 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**

*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*

What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability to
pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a perfectly
well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen this before
with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic
clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far
away in a fourth spatial dimension...

This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure described
by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place 17 years ago
and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and fr.sci.physique.

https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ

*Reminders on the Procedure:*

Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other at
a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the same rate." NOTHING
more is assumed, especially regarding the time they display; the purpose
is PRECISELY to adjust one of these clocks by applying a correction
after a calculation involving the values indicated on these clocks
during specific events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.

Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure but a
method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main difference from
Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that Poincaré’s method
leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense. You can also transform
Einstein’s verification method into a synchronization procedure because
it allows calculating the correction to apply to clock A.

*Steps of Einstein's Method:*

When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.

When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light signal
is sent from B back towards A.

When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.

The values t_A, t_B, and t'_A relate to events that all occur exactly at
the location of the clock displaying these measurements. They are
perfectly objective and independent of any observer. Anywhere in the
universe, whether at A, B, or on Andromeda, observers can obtain these
values (via astronaut carrier pigeons, for example).

Hachel/Lengrand manages to deny this simple FACT. This is the first
level of severe cognitive dissonance.

Einstein points out that the experiment (measuring time during round
trips, thus involving only one clock) justifies the formula: 2(AB)/(t'_A
- t_A) = c (*).

He then introduces a *convention*: t_B - t_A = t'_A - t_B (**).

Here, Hachel/Lengrand believes this is only possible if the clocks have
been specially pre-set, but there is nothing like that in Einstein’s
procedure. The point is *precisely* to check whether this formula holds
or not. And if it doesn’t, to find a way to make it true.

This shows Hachel/Lengrand’s ability to introduce additional conditions
out of nowhere (to put it politely) and then go completely off track
with objective values that don’t have the same value for everyone,
comparing it to an entirely irrelevant "Langevin-style" scenario...

*Epilogue: What to Do if (**) Is False??*

Starting from:
2(AB)/(t'_A - t_A) = c
t_B - t_A = t'_A - t_B

Elementary algebra allows us to express t_A in terms of the other
quantities involved:

t'_A = t_A + 2(AB)/c
t'_A = 2*t_B - t_A

=> t_A + 2(AB)/c = 2*t_B - t_A

=> 2*t_A = 2( t_B - (AB)/c )

=> t_A = t_B - (AB)/c

The value t_A should have been t_B - (AB)/c.

If the value was different, say t_Aerr, then adjust clock A by t_Aerr +
t_B - (AB)/c.

An operator at A knows all the involved values; either they’ve been
observed, known in advance (distance AB), or received via some transport
method (t_B).

The procedure works regardless of the initial settings of the two
clocks. We can then call the relationship (**) verified by the two
clocks as "A is synchronized with B" or "A synch B."

To validate this, we still need to verify that "synch" (under the
hypothesis 2(AB)/(t'_A - t_A) = c, which Hachel/Lengrand considers true!):

A synch A (reflexivity)
A synch B => B synch A (symmetry)
A synch B AND B synch C => A synch C (transitivity)

Einstein deemed it unnecessary to do this in his paper, considering it
obvious to his readership (he wasn’t there to preemptively manage cranks).

The procedure is also experimentally falsifiable, despite its
conventional aspect: by retesting synchronization after a minute, an
hour, a year, or a century for the same clocks left to run their course,
one would notice a desynchronization due to some phenomenon (except for
a technical defect in the clocks), which gives meaning to the often-read
phrase in popular science books: "time flows more or less quickly here
and there." Countless experiments validate this aspect of Einstein’s
procedure.

This procedure gives meaning to the coordinate "t" of an event for any
inertial reference frame (thus t', t'', etc.).

In General Relativity, we find this procedure with a limitation: it is
purely local; it holds in the spatiotemporal vicinity of an event. And
it must be taken into account that, by the definition of Gravitation,
two freely moving bodies (no acting forces) can see their trajectories
diverge or converge.

This subtlety sheds light on a circular aspect of physics (which is
entirely normal and quite a good sign): clocks are set to make Newton’s
first law true, and Newton’s first law allows clocks to be set
consistently (locally). Thanks to J. J. Lodder for pointing out this.

It’s no coincidence that the "real-time" event labeling proposed by
Hachel/Lengrand is incoherent in this sense: with such coordinates,
Newton’s first law is systematically violated; at worst, we even get a
speed ("apparent") that is not only variable but *discontinuous* (if the
body's trajectory crosses the observer).

I’ve written a small Python program that graphically demonstrates this
phenomenon:

https://gitlab.com/python_431/cranks-and-physics/-/tree/main/Hachel/code
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-17 12:56:14 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability to
pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a perfectly
well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen this before
with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic
clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far
away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure described
by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place 17 years ago
and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other at
a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.

And hatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
would be, and he has written it clearly
enough for anyone able to read (even if not
clearly enough for you, poor stinker).
Python
2024-08-17 12:58:34 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability
to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a
perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen
this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies,
like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock
infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place
17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.

I'm not explaining this for you Maciej. "One of the best
logicians Humanity have" is clearly too dumb to get it.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-17 13:40:13 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability
to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a
perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve
seen this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of
fantasies, like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization
with a clock infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place
17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
No, poor stinker, bullshit as usual.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
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I'm not explaining this for you Maciej. "One of the best
logicians Humanity have" is clearly too dumb to get it.
Only brainwashed religious maniacs are smart
accordingly to get it. Sure.

And whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
would be, and he has written it clearly
enough for anyone able to read (even if not
clearly enough for you, poor stinker).
Python
2024-08-17 13:44:30 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage
to produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and
ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of
a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve
seen this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of
fantasies, like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization
with a clock infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place
17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth, you may have
heard about it).
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Poor stinker, bullshit as usual.
Nice signature Maciej!
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-17 13:54:46 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage
to produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and
ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of
a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve
seen this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of
fantasies, like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization
with a clock infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth
They don't say they're selling parts, they say
they're selling whole clocks. Sorry. Like most
of relativistic idiots led by their idiot guru -
you simply don't know what a clock is.

BTW, is the atmosphere a part of a plane for you
too, poor stinker?
Python
2024-08-17 13:58:50 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you
think you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they
manage to produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance
and ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on
top of a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is
astonishing. We’ve seen this before with GPS, where Hachel invents
all sorts of fantasies, like atomic clocks in the receivers or
synchronization with a clock infinitely far away in a fourth
spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth
They don't say they're selling parts,
They should.
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they say they're selling whole clocks.
They are only targeting human customers living on Earth. In a Inter-
Galactic civilization they would add "Planet not included" :-D

If not the Federation Regulation Authorities would sue them.

Maybe you should sue your parents for providing you a defective
brain, Maciej.
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2024-08-17 14:26:14 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you
think you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they
manage to produce something even worse. Their cognitive
dissonance and ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows
where, on top of a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is
astonishing. We’ve seen this before with GPS, where Hachel
invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic clocks in the
receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far away in
a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity
and fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth
They don't say they're selling parts,
They should.
Because?
Because otherwise poor stinker will get angry
and start stamping his feet?
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
they say they're selling whole clocks.
They are only targeting human customers living on Earth. In a Inter-
Galactic civilization they would add "Planet not included" :-D
If not the Federation Regulation Authorities would sue them.
Said a self-appointed Federation Regulation
Authority.
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Maybe you should sue your parents for providing you a defective
brain, Maciej.
So, is the atmosphere a part of a plane as well,
poor stinker?
Python
2024-08-17 14:32:29 UTC
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Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth
They don't say they're selling parts,
They should.
Because?
Because otherwise poor stinker  will get angry
and start stamping his feet?
I wear swimming fins. I'm not concerned. Moreover one well
known angry poor stinker around is you, Maciej.
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they say they're selling whole clocks.
They are only targeting human customers living on Earth. In a Inter-
Galactic civilization they would add "Planet not included" :-D
If not the Federation Regulation Authorities would sue them.
Said a self-appointed Federation Regulation Authority.
When you talk about it: What kind of pies to you like? We are
providing a free delivery service for pompous imbeciles. You
are eligible.
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Maybe you should sue your parents for providing you a defective
brain, Maciej.
So, is the atmosphere a part of a plane as well,
Did you notice that, as a flying device, a plane does not work well
without air?

Same as a pendulum does not work well as a clock without being near the
surface of a planet.
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poor stinker
Nice signature Maciej.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-17 14:45:14 UTC
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Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth
They don't say they're selling parts,
They should.
Because?
Because otherwise poor stinker  will get angry
and start stamping his feet?
I wear swimming fins. I'm not concerned. Moreover one well
known angry poor stinker around is you, Maciej.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
they say they're selling whole clocks.
They are only targeting human customers living on Earth. In a Inter-
Galactic civilization they would add "Planet not included" :-D
If not the Federation Regulation Authorities would sue them.
Said a self-appointed Federation Regulation Authority.
When you talk about it: What kind of pies to you like? We are
providing a free delivery service for pompous imbeciles. You
are eligible.
See, poor stinker - I've proven the mumble of your idiot
guru to be inconsistent, and you can do nothing about it
apart of spitting, insulting and slandering.
And you're just doing what you can for your beloved
Shit and your beloved church.
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
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Maybe you should sue your parents for providing you a defective
brain, Maciej.
So, is the atmosphere a part of a plane as well,
Did you notice that, as a flying device, a plane does not work well
without air?
Same as a pendulum does not work well as a clock without being near the
surface of a planet.
Yes, I did notice. So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Eart is allegedly
a part od a pendulum clock, poor stinker?
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2024-08-17 14:48:34 UTC
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Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth
They don't say they're selling parts,
They should.
Because?
Because otherwise poor stinker  will get angry
and start stamping his feet?
I wear swimming fins. I'm not concerned. Moreover one well
known angry poor stinker around is you, Maciej.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
they say they're selling whole clocks.
They are only targeting human customers living on Earth. In a Inter-
Galactic civilization they would add "Planet not included" :-D
If not the Federation Regulation Authorities would sue them.
Said a self-appointed Federation Regulation Authority.
When you talk about it: What kind of pies to you like? We are
providing a free delivery service for pompous imbeciles. You
are eligible.
See, poor stinker - I've proven the mumble of your idiot
guru to be inconsistent, and you can do nothing about it
apart of spitting, insulting and slandering.
And you're just doing what you can for your beloved
Shit and your beloved church.
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Maybe you should sue your parents for providing you a defective
brain, Maciej.
So, is the atmosphere a part of a plane as well,
Did you notice that, as a flying device, a plane does not work well
without air?
Same as a pendulum does not work well as a clock without being near the
surface of a planet.
Yes, I did notice.
Incredible! You are very smart, aren't you?
Post by Maciej Wozniak
So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Eart (sic) is allegedly
a part od (sic) a pendulum clock,
Ah, no you aren't.
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poor stinker.
Nice signature, Maciej.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-17 14:53:03 UTC
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Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth
They don't say they're selling parts,
They should.
Because?
Because otherwise poor stinker  will get angry
and start stamping his feet?
I wear swimming fins. I'm not concerned. Moreover one well
known angry poor stinker around is you, Maciej.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
they say they're selling whole clocks.
They are only targeting human customers living on Earth. In a Inter-
Galactic civilization they would add "Planet not included" :-D
If not the Federation Regulation Authorities would sue them.
Said a self-appointed Federation Regulation Authority.
When you talk about it: What kind of pies to you like? We are
providing a free delivery service for pompous imbeciles. You
are eligible.
See, poor stinker - I've proven the mumble of your idiot
guru to be inconsistent, and you can do nothing about it
apart of spitting, insulting and slandering.
And you're just doing what you can for your beloved
Shit and your beloved church.
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Maybe you should sue your parents for providing you a defective
brain, Maciej.
So, is the atmosphere a part of a plane as well,
Did you notice that, as a flying device, a plane does not work well
without air?
Same as a pendulum does not work well as a clock without being near the
surface of a planet.
Yes, I did notice.
Incredible! You are very smart, aren't you?
Post by Maciej Wozniak
So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Eart (sic) is allegedly
a part od (sic) a pendulum clock,
Ah, no you aren't.
Yes, I am. So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Earth is
allegedly a part of a pendulum clock?
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Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth
They don't say they're selling parts,
They should.
Because?
Because otherwise poor stinker  will get angry
and start stamping his feet?
I wear swimming fins. I'm not concerned. Moreover one well
known angry poor stinker around is you, Maciej.
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they say they're selling whole clocks.
They are only targeting human customers living on Earth. In a Inter-
Galactic civilization they would add "Planet not included" :-D
If not the Federation Regulation Authorities would sue them.
Said a self-appointed Federation Regulation Authority.
When you talk about it: What kind of pies to you like? We are
providing a free delivery service for pompous imbeciles. You
are eligible.
See, poor stinker - I've proven the mumble of your idiot
guru to be inconsistent, and you can do nothing about it
apart of spitting, insulting and slandering.
And you're just doing what you can for your beloved
Shit and your beloved church.
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Maybe you should sue your parents for providing you a defective
brain, Maciej.
So, is the atmosphere a part of a plane as well,
Did you notice that, as a flying device, a plane does not work well
without air?
Same as a pendulum does not work well as a clock without being near the
surface of a planet.
Yes, I did notice.
Incredible! You are very smart, aren't you?
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So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Eart (sic) is allegedly
a part od (sic) a pendulum clock,
Ah, no you aren't.
Yes, I am.
Definitely not. Would you consider conducting a poll on this question
Maciej?
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-17 15:43:23 UTC
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Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
Sure. It happened that for the most of us (a few exceptions
though, like astronauts in the ISS) the other part of these
device is freely available (it is called Earth
They don't say they're selling parts,
They should.
Because?
Because otherwise poor stinker  will get angry
and start stamping his feet?
I wear swimming fins. I'm not concerned. Moreover one well
known angry poor stinker around is you, Maciej.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
they say they're selling whole clocks.
They are only targeting human customers living on Earth. In a Inter-
Galactic civilization they would add "Planet not included" :-D
If not the Federation Regulation Authorities would sue them.
Said a self-appointed Federation Regulation Authority.
When you talk about it: What kind of pies to you like? We are
providing a free delivery service for pompous imbeciles. You
are eligible.
See, poor stinker - I've proven the mumble of your idiot
guru to be inconsistent, and you can do nothing about it
apart of spitting, insulting and slandering.
And you're just doing what you can for your beloved
Shit and your beloved church.
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Maybe you should sue your parents for providing you a defective
brain, Maciej.
So, is the atmosphere a part of a plane as well,
Did you notice that, as a flying device, a plane does not work well
without air?
Same as a pendulum does not work well as a clock without being near the
surface of a planet.
Yes, I did notice.
Incredible! You are very smart, aren't you?
Post by Maciej Wozniak
So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Eart (sic) is allegedly
a part od (sic) a pendulum clock,
Ah, no you aren't.
Yes, I am.
Definitely not. Would you consider conducting a poll on this question
Maciej?
Don't give a damn to.
So, is the atmosphere a part of a
plane - same as Earth is allegedly a
part of a pendulum clock?
Still no answer? Of course.
gharnagel
2024-08-17 16:52:02 UTC
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See, poor stinker -
“You never look good trying to make someone else look bad.”
-- TobyMac

“When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether it be
good or bad.” ― Tacitus
Post by Maciej Wozniak
I've proven the mumble of your idiot guru to be inconsistent
“There are basically two groups of people. People who accomplish
things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain

Maciej is in the second group.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
and you can do nothing about it apart of spitting, insulting
and slandering.
"A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and
ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood."
-- William Shenstone
Post by Maciej Wozniak
And you're just doing what you can for your beloved
Shit and your beloved church.
“When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether
it be good or bad.” ― Tacitus
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Yes, I did notice. So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Eart is allegedly
a part od a pendulum clock, poor stinker?
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the
losers. -- Socrates

Maciej lost the debate a long time ago, so he lies, insults
and slanders in the hopes that his lies will become truth.
Whenever he posts a message, we are sadly reminded of what
Dale Carnegie said:

“When dealing with people, remember you are not dealing
with creatures of logic, but with creatures bristling
with prejudice and motivated by pride and vanity.”
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-17 17:33:21 UTC
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See, poor stinker -
“You never look good trying to make someone else look bad.”
-- TobyMac
“When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether it be
good or bad.” ― Tacitus
Post by Maciej Wozniak
I've proven the mumble of your idiot guru to be inconsistent
“There are basically two groups of people.  People who accomplish
things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain
Maciej is in the second group.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
and you can do nothing about it apart of spitting, insulting
and slandering.
"A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and
ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood."
-- William Shenstone
Post by Maciej Wozniak
And you're just doing what you can for your beloved
Shit and your beloved church.
“When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether
it be good or bad.” ― Tacitus
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Yes, I did notice. So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Eart is allegedly
a part od a pendulum clock, poor stinker?
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the
losers. -- Socrates
Sure, that's why you and Python slander
non stop.
And the mumble of your idiot guru remains
not even consistent; I've proven it and
your mad ravings are changing nothing. Sorry,
trash.
gharnagel
2024-08-17 18:54:27 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
See, poor stinker -
“You never look good trying to make someone else look bad.”
-- TobyMac
“When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether it be
good or bad.” ― Tacitus
Post by Maciej Wozniak
I've proven the mumble of your idiot guru to be inconsistent
“There are basically two groups of people.  People who accomplish
things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain
Maciej is in the second group.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
and you can do nothing about it apart of spitting, insulting
and slandering.
"A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and
ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood."
-- William Shenstone
Post by Maciej Wozniak
And you're just doing what you can for your beloved
Shit and your beloved church.
“When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether
it be good or bad.” ― Tacitus
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Yes, I did notice. So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Eart is allegedly
a part od a pendulum clock, poor stinker?
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the
losers. -- Socrates
Sure, that's why you and Python slander non stop.
Woznial is projecting his own despicable behavior of
slandering. It's too bad he has never learned that what
what goes around comes around.

"If a man speak or act with an evil thought, suffering
follows him as the wheel follows the hoof of the beast
that draws the wagon" -- Buddha
And the mumble of your idiot guru remains not even
consistent; I've proven it
“There are basically two groups of people.  People who accomplish
things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain

Wozniak is in the second group because he has NEVER proven any
inconsistency in relativity. So the question is: is he a liar,
is he incompetent, or is he delusional? Those are the only
possibilities that I can see.
and your mad ravings
No ravings going on here. I'm just reporting the facts.
Wozniak seems to be the one doing the raving. I'm not a
psychiatrist, but does this imply that Wozniak is a few
fries short of a Happy Meal?
are changing nothing. Sorry, trash.
Wozniak continually attacks the messenger rather than the message.
He could easily post his "proof" of the supposed inconsistency of
relativity, but he refuses to do so. So is he a liar, is he
incompetent, or is he delusional?

He regularly accuses everyone else of what he routinely does, and
he seems oblivious of the concept of karma: their are consequences
to his own actions. It appears that he was never taught this in
his childhood, never learned self-discipline.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-17 19:28:33 UTC
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See, poor stinker -
“You never look good trying to make someone else look bad.”
-- TobyMac
“When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether it be
good or bad.” ― Tacitus
Post by Maciej Wozniak
I've proven the mumble of your idiot guru to be inconsistent
“There are basically two groups of people.  People who accomplish
things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain
Maciej is in the second group.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
and you can do nothing about it apart of spitting, insulting
and slandering.
"A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and
ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood."
-- William Shenstone
Post by Maciej Wozniak
And you're just doing what you can for your beloved
Shit and your beloved church.
“When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether
it be good or bad.” ― Tacitus
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Yes, I did notice. So, is the atmosphere
a part of a plane - same as Eart is allegedly
a part od a pendulum clock, poor stinker?
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the
losers. -- Socrates
Sure, that's why you and  Python slander non stop.
Woznial is projecting his own despicable behavior of
Relativistic doggies slander non stop, nazis,
bottles of vodka, nurses changing shitty sheets
- are their usual weapon. Not that anybody is
expecting anything better from them, of course.
That's what The Shit is training you for.
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Wozniak is in the second group because he has NEVER proven any
inconsistency in relativity.  So the question is: is he a liar,
I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
numeric predictions derivable in the physics
of your idiot guru. That's a proof of
inconsistency and your mad ravings are
changing nothing, sorry, trash.
gharnagel
2024-08-17 22:49:02 UTC
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Sure, that's why you and  Python slander non stop.
Woznial is projecting his own despicable behavior of
Relativistic doggies slander non stop, nazis,
bottles of vodka, nurses changing shitty sheets
- are their usual weapon. Not that anybody is
expecting anything better from them, of course.
That's what The Shit is training you for.
This is an example of Wozniak projecting his own despicable
behavior on others, conveniently forgetting that he reaps
what he sows. That and being a potty are characteristics
of one who was never taught self-discipline.
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Post by gharnagel
Wozniak is in the second group because he has NEVER proven any
inconsistency in relativity.  So the question is: is he a liar,
I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
numeric predictions derivable in the physics
of your idiot guru. That's a proof of
inconsistency
If there were such things, surely Wozniak could post them. He's
been asked to do so many times, but all that happens is unhinged
ravings of an undisciplined mind.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
and your mad ravings
Sadly, Wozniak is projecting his own behavior again.
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are changing nothing,
Change is the essence of life. Sadly, Wozniak is stuck in his
miasma of disinformation, never to grow up.

“Changelessness is decay.” – Isaac Asimov

“To hate being wrong is to change your opinion when you are
proven wrong; whereas pride, even when proven wrong, decides
to go on being wrong.” ― Criss Jami
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sorry,
Wozniak has proven that he is not "sorry."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite

"a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue"
Post by Maciej Wozniak
trash.
"1. ad hominem — attacking the arguer and not the argument."
-- Carl Sagan

Which is all that undisciplined Wozniak does. He has not
even one iota of proof of proof that relativity is inconsistent.
He just raves and slanders and lies.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-18 04:03:02 UTC
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Sure, that's why you and  Python slander non stop.
Woznial is projecting his own despicable behavior of
Relativistic doggies slander non stop, nazis,
bottles of vodka, nurses changing shitty sheets
- are their usual weapon. Not that anybody is
expecting anything better from them, of course.
That's what The Shit is training you for.
This is an example of Wozniak projecting his own despicable
This is an example of some facts about
The Shit and its fanatic worshippers.
And you're well known for denying the
reality whenever you don't like it,
like with GPS clocks which are not real
for you.
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Wozniak is in the second group because he has NEVER proven any
inconsistency in relativity.  So the question is: is he a liar,
I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
numeric predictions derivable in the physics
of your idiot guru. That's a proof of
inconsistency
If there were such things, surely Wozniak could post them.
And I did, dosens of times.
gharnagel
2024-08-18 11:21:47 UTC
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Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Relativistic doggies slander non stop, nazis,
bottles of vodka, nurses changing shitty sheets
- are their usual weapon. Not that anybody is
expecting anything better from them, of course.
That's what The Shit is training you for.
This is an example of Wozniak projecting his own despicable
This is an example of some facts about
The Shit and its fanatic worshippers.
And you're well known for denying the
reality whenever you don't like it,
like with GPS clocks which are not real
for you.
Wozniak is projecting again, as well as lying, insulting
and slandering. He actually does what he accuses others
of doing.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
numeric predictions derivable in the physics
of your idiot guru. That's a proof of
inconsistency
If there were such things, surely Wozniak could post them.
And I did, dosens of times.
If this were true, I surely would have seen it and remembered.

“There are basically two groups of people. People who accomplish
things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain

If he would just post his "proof" one "more" time, it would prove
that he wasn't a liar. Obviously, he won't do it because it's
nonexistent. All he has posted is nebulous unconfirmed assertions
which are in no way "proofs." So let's see these "proofs" again
and clear the air.
Dereck Moraitopoulos
2024-08-18 12:45:39 UTC
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If there were such things, surely Wozniak could post them.
And I did, dosens of times.
If this were true, I surely would have seen it and remembered.
“There are basically two groups of people. People who accomplish
things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain
If he would just post his "proof" one "more" time, it would prove that
he wasn't a liar. Obviously, he won't do it because it's nonexistent.
All he has posted is nebulous unconfirmed assertions which are in no way
"proofs." So let's see these "proofs" again and clear the air.
absolutely; that's "jewish" too. I mean, 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮𝙨. Written in their
"bible"; repeating a lie makes the Einstine true.

𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱_𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗴𝗲𝗿_‘𝗮𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿_𝗖𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗼𝗯𝘆𝗹’_–_𝗲𝘅-𝗨𝗦_𝗔𝗿𝗺𝘆_𝗼𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗲𝗿_𝘁𝗼_𝗥𝗧
A meltdown at the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant would make the region
uninhabitable, Stanislav Krapivnik has warned
https://www.r%74.com/russia/602744-ukraine-may-trigger-another-chernobyl/

It’s annoying to be hearing this from Russian, k though and believe Russia
leadership should be changed now, they are not capable to handle their
enemy, first time a nuclear power is be bully, they keep killing them
without fear from their enemies, Stanley we be turning in his grave now

no, actually that's capitalism. Mister Stalin was a proper motherfucker
for the capitalist collective_west, because the people was free and
communist. They fought WITH their life, for the family and their country,
for fuck sake. It's very simple. Now the stupid, thinking it's an Aryan
nazis, is fighting their life for the jew Blackrock. My butt, this is so
simple, even me can undrestand.

If the winds were strong enough to blow nuclear fallout all the way to the
USA, Zelensky would not even try to imagine what he is doing now. US very
much wants to destroy Europe and Kursk plant is the chance.

Well then I guess we'll have to take Poland to replace the ruined land
space. Seeing as its a jew from Poland always behind the problem. And all
the Poles can move to england.

Kiev ( illegal authorities ) to be "dismantled" before the dark forces
takeover and destroy everything on it's way. Hope ?

" Neither the UN nor the International Atomic Energy Agency have addressed
the threat ". In plain language: " THEY DO NOT GIVE A SHIT OF WHAT MAY
HAPPEN UNTILL BEING TOLD OTHERWISE BY USA.

The cynic in me thinks certain extreme globalists would use contamination
as an excuse for full on totalitarianism. The optimist in me hopes
European leaders are telling zelensky don't do this.

Than throw a sarmat on the insane mans head, to safe us all before it goes
wrong.

What traitor jew faking a Christian, said Putin, is doing, only god knows.

Tsar Bomba Kiev, the fully-grown 100Megaton version. Make an example of
the scumbags.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-18 15:22:20 UTC
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Relativistic doggies slander non stop, nazis,
bottles of vodka, nurses changing shitty sheets
- are their usual weapon. Not that anybody is
expecting anything better from them, of course.
That's what The Shit is training you for.
This is an example of Wozniak projecting his own despicable
This is an example of some facts about
The Shit and its fanatic worshippers.
And you're well known for denying the
reality whenever you don't like it,
like with GPS clocks which are not real
for you.
Wozniak is projecting again,
Google keeps record, poor trash.
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
numeric predictions derivable in the physics
of your idiot guru. That's a proof of
inconsistency
If there were such things, surely Wozniak could post them.
And I did, dosens of times.
If this were true, I surely would have seen it and remembered.
And you did. You're just a piece of lying
shit, just like everyone in your moronic
church.
gharnagel
2024-08-18 20:20:57 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
This is an example of some facts about
The Shit and its fanatic worshippers.
And you're well known for denying the
reality whenever you don't like it,
like with GPS clocks which are not real
for you.
Wozniak is projecting again,
Google keeps record,
Then it would be easy for Wozniak to supply a
link to what he posted. Since he hasn't done
that, one can only conclude that there is no
such post.
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poor trash.
The only "proof" that Wozniak posts is that he
insults, defames and slanders.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
numeric predictions derivable in the physics
of your idiot guru. That's a proof of
inconsistency
If there were such things, surely Wozniak could post them.
And I did, dosens of times.
If this were true, I surely would have seen it and remembered.
And you did.
So Wozniak "knows" whether or not I remember :-) How can he know
this. Mental telepathy?
Post by Maciej Wozniak
You're just a piece of lying shit,
He doesn't know whether or not I remember, so he ASSUMES that I'm
lying. This is a very sad state of existence.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
just like everyone in your moronic church.
Not just me, but everyone that disagrees with his unproven assertions.
It is easier for Wozniak to insult, defame and slander again and again
and again rather than post a simple link. Or he could paste and copy
it into a new post. Surely he would have something as important as
that saved in a file. One can only conclude that Wozniak is an empty
suit, a hollow man, a paper tiger, and, yes, a liar. Thus he knows
that he himself is a liar, so he projects his own behavior on others.

“There are basically two groups of people. People who accomplish
things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain

“How much better would life be if a liar’s pants really did catch fire?
-- Rebel Circus

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers,
and
whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have
their
part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the
second
death." -- Revelations 21:8

Wozniak could rescue himself from this awful state by posting his
"proofs"
just one more time. But he won't. Because he can't.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-19 04:48:12 UTC
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Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
This is an example of some facts about
The Shit and its fanatic worshippers.
And you're well known for denying the
reality whenever you don't like it,
like with GPS clocks which are not real
for you.
Wozniak is projecting again,
Google keeps record,
Then it would be easy for Wozniak to supply a
link to what he posted.
Harrie, this part of thread is not about
what I posted, it's about your fellow trash
babbling about nurses, bottles of vodka, nazis
and so on.
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
numeric predictions derivable in the physics
of your idiot guru. That's a proof of
inconsistency
If there were such things, surely Wozniak could post them.
And I did, dosens of times.
If this were true, I surely would have seen it and remembered.
And you did.
So Wozniak "knows" whether or not I remember :-)  How can he know
this.  Mental telepathy?
Post by Maciej Wozniak
You're just a piece of lying shit,
He doesn't know whether or not I remember, so he ASSUMES that I'm
lying.
Oh, yes, trash, I KNOW you are.
Im not going to prove you anything, I did
many times andit's a waste of time.

This is a very sad state of existence.
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
just like everyone in your moronic church.
Not just me, but everyone that disagrees with his unproven assertions.
They're proven, unfortunately. But nobody
expect a fanatic scumbag to accept a proof.
You can't even accept GPS clocks and
insist they are not real.
gharnagel
2024-08-19 22:01:42 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
This is an example of some facts about
The Shit and its fanatic worshippers.
And you're well known for denying the
reality whenever you don't like it,
like with GPS clocks which are not real
for you.
Wozniak is projecting again,
Google keeps record,
"Google"? Ain't no google here. Who goes there anymore?
Post by Maciej Wozniak
poor trash.
Wozniak proves that HE is the one who insults, slanders
and lies.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
And I did, dosens of times.
If this were true, I surely would have seen it and remembered.
And you did.
Wozniak has perfected mental telepathy. He "knows" that I have
remembered his "proof" :-)

Where is it? On googles? Nobody goes to google anymore, so if
Wozniak doesn't post his "proofs" here, he will prove himself to
be

"just a piece of lying shit"
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-20 05:06:26 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by gharnagel
Post by Maciej Wozniak
This is an example of some facts about
The Shit and its fanatic worshippers.
And you're well known for denying the
reality whenever you don't like it,
like with GPS clocks which are not real
for you.
Wozniak is projecting again,
Google keeps record,
"Google"?  Ain't no google here.  Who goes there anymore?
Nobody has to go to the archive
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poor trash.
Wozniak proves that HE is the one who insults, slanders
and lies.
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
And I did, dosens of times.
If this were true, I surely would have seen it and remembered.
And you did.
Wozniak has perfected mental telepathy.  He "knows" that I have
remembered his "proof" :-)
Yes I do.
Where is it?  On googles?  Nobody goes to google anymore, so if
Wozniak doesn't post his "proofs" here
Yes I do.
Carroll Békési
2024-08-18 11:58:09 UTC
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I've pointed directly 2 denying themself numeric predictions derivable
in the physics of your idiot guru. That's a proof of inconsistency
If there were such things, surely Wozniak could post them. He's been
asked to do so many times, but all that happens is unhinged ravings of
an undisciplined mind.
my friend, it always makes sense what you say. I love you so much. Yet
another colony country wanting to be gay

‘𝗜_𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁_𝗜𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗮_𝘁𝗼_𝗺𝗮𝗸𝗲_𝗻𝗼𝗶𝘀𝗲_𝗶𝗻_𝗯𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴’:_𝗕-𝗯𝗼𝘆𝘀_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗯-𝗴𝗶𝗿𝗹𝘀_
𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺_𝗺𝗼𝘀𝘁_𝗽𝗼𝗽𝘂𝗹𝗼𝘂𝘀_𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻_𝗮𝗿𝗲_𝗯𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗼𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗹_𝗮𝗽𝗮𝘁𝗵𝘆
https://www.r%74.com/india/602720-india-breakdancing-olympics/

The mocking of Christ and the shemen boxers were just to distract from the
real tragedy of pretending this is a sport

Anything to detract the real problem of this Olympics.........Men
pretending to be Woman Boxers and winning Gold Medals!
Python
2024-08-17 14:02:01 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you
think you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they
manage to produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance
and ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on
top of a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is
astonishing. We’ve seen this before with GPS, where Hachel invents
all sorts of fantasies, like atomic clocks in the receivers or
synchronization with a clock infinitely far away in a fourth
spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
https://www.amazon.fr/Swimming-Fins/s?k=Swimming+Fins

How dear! They don't mention "Aimed to used in water!"

I guess you're walking through streets of Poland wearing
swimming fins and falling down repeatedly. You may consider
suing swimming fins sellers :-P
Python
2024-08-17 14:09:11 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you
think you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they
manage to produce something even worse. Their cognitive
dissonance and ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows
where, on top of a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is
astonishing. We’ve seen this before with GPS, where Hachel
invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic clocks in the
receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far away in
a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity
and fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
https://www.amazon.fr/Swimming-Fins/s?k=Swimming+Fins
How dear! They don't mention "Aimed to be used in water!"
I guess you're walking through streets of Poland wearing
swimming fins and falling down repeatedly. You may consider
suing swimming fins sellers :-P
Rare footage of Maciej Wozniak British cousin :

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2021-05-07/stepping-out-in-style-the-bolton-man-hoping-to-summit-snowdon-in-swimming-flippers
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-17 14:28:04 UTC
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Post by Python
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Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive
Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you
think you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with,
they manage to produce something even worse. Their cognitive
dissonance and ability to pull out bizarre notions from who
knows where, on top of a perfectly well-defined technical
procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen this before with GPS,
where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic clocks
in the receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far
away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity
and fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=clocks+pendulum
https://www.amazon.fr/Swimming-Fins/s?k=Swimming+Fins
How dear! They don't mention "Aimed to be used in water!"
I guess you're walking through streets of Poland wearing
swimming fins and falling down repeatedly. You may consider
suing swimming fins sellers :-P
slander
noun [ C or U ]
uk /ˈslɑːn.dər/ us /ˈslæn.dɚ/
a false spoken statement about someone that damages their reputation, or
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slander
noun [ C or U ]
uk /ˈslɑːn.dər/ us /ˈslæn.dɚ/
a false spoken statement about someone that damages their reputation, or
the making of such a statement:
J. J. Lodder
2024-08-20 08:44:36 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What's fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you've seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability
to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a
perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We've seen
this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies,
like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock
infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place
17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
Indeed. Pendulum clocks cannot serve as absolute time keepers,
since they need to be calibrated against a real clock.
(such as the motions of the Earth)
They can only serve to interpolate between astronomical observations.

Man-made clocks of better accuracy than the Earth
didn't become available until the late 1930-ies.
All talk of the relevance of real clocks to Einstein 1905
is hogwash,

Jan
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-20 10:12:19 UTC
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Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What's fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you've seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability
to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a
perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We've seen
this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies,
like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock
infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place
17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Not at all. A pendulum by itself is not a clock. The
system Earth-Pendulum is.
Indeed. Pendulum clocks cannot serve as absolute time keepers,
since they need to be calibrated against a real clock.
Ah ah ah, the evil calibration is definitely
disqualifying a measurement device.
That's what The Shit is doing with the brains
of its unfortunate victims:(.
Volney
2024-08-18 15:08:47 UTC
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Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability
to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a
perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen
this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies,
like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock
infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place
17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Wrong. Two identical pendulum clocks, one on Earth, one on the moon,
wouldn't even be close to functioning identically. Two identical clocks,
one in zero gravity deep space the other on earth wouldn't function
identically either, because the one in deep space wouldn't work at all.

Meanwhile, two identical balance spring/electronic clocks would work
identically, other than a tiny correction for different GR effects.

This is because the "identical" pendulum clocks are NOT identical in the
mentioned situations. "Planet not included."
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-18 15:24:25 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability
to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a
perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve
seen this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of
fantasies, like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization
with a clock infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place
17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Wrong. Two identical pendulum clocks, one on Earth, one on the moon,
wouldn't even be close to functioning identically.
Indeed, stupid Mike, and that's why Python's
"Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)" is just some delusion
of a fanatic idiot.
Python
2024-08-19 10:18:14 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Volney
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage
to produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and
ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of
a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve
seen this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of
fantasies, like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization
with a clock infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place
17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Wrong. Two identical pendulum clocks, one on Earth, one on the moon,
wouldn't even be close to functioning identically.
Indeed, stupid Mike, and that's why Python's
"Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)" is just some delusion
of a fanatic idiot.
Oh, it was a "nothing goes" day for Maciej Wozniak yesterday :-)
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-19 10:28:53 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Volney
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage
to produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and
ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of
a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve
seen this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of
fantasies, like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization
with a clock infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Wrong. Two identical pendulum clocks, one on Earth, one on the moon,
wouldn't even be close to functioning identically.
Indeed, stupid Mike, and that's why Python's
"Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)" is just some delusion
of a fanatic idiot.
Oh, it was a "nothing goes" day for Maciej Wozniak yesterday :-)
No, it is just "I will lie, insult and slander
for the glory of my glorious Church of The Shit"
day for Python today. Samely as it was yesterday
and will be tomorrow.
Python
2024-08-19 10:57:09 UTC
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Post by Volney
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you
think you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they
manage to produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance
and ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on
top of a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is
astonishing. We’ve seen this before with GPS, where Hachel invents
all sorts of fantasies, like atomic clocks in the receivers or
synchronization with a clock infinitely far away in a fourth
spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Wrong. Two identical pendulum clocks, one on Earth, one on the moon,
wouldn't even be close to functioning identically.
Indeed, stupid Mike, and that's why Python's
"Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)" is just some delusion
of a fanatic idiot.
Oh, it was a "nothing goes" day for Maciej Wozniak yesterday :-)
No [snip slander]
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?

Seriously Wozniak?
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-19 12:14:22 UTC
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Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Volney
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you
think you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they
manage to produce something even worse. Their cognitive
dissonance and ability to pull out bizarre notions from who knows
where, on top of a perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is
astonishing. We’ve seen this before with GPS, where Hachel
invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic clocks in the
receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far away in
a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity
and fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Wrong. Two identical pendulum clocks, one on Earth, one on the
moon, wouldn't even be close to functioning identically.
Indeed, stupid Mike, and that's why Python's
"Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)" is just some delusion
of a fanatic idiot.
Oh, it was a "nothing goes" day for Maciej Wozniak yesterday :-)
No [snip slander]
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
No, neither seriously nor any other way.
Just another slander of yours.
Still, your "logic" of
"identical clocks"=>"identical functioning
(within measurement accuracy)" is kind of
absurd. Like most of your "logic".
Python
2024-08-19 12:29:51 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Volney
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive
Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you
think you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with,
they manage to produce something even worse. Their cognitive
dissonance and ability to pull out bizarre notions from who
knows where, on top of a perfectly well-defined technical
procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen this before with GPS,
where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic clocks
in the receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far
away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity
and fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Wrong. Two identical pendulum clocks, one on Earth, one on the
moon, wouldn't even be close to functioning identically.
Indeed, stupid Mike, and that's why Python's
"Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)" is just some delusion
of a fanatic idiot.
Oh, it was a "nothing goes" day for Maciej Wozniak yesterday :-)
No [snip slander]
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
No, neither seriously nor any other way.
Just another slander of yours.
Still, your "logic" of
"identical clocks"=>"identical functioning
(within measurement accuracy)" is kind of
absurd. Like most of your "logic".
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different
results.” That witticism — I'll call it “Einstein Insanity” — is usually
attributed to Albert Einstein.

He wrote about you, after all :-)
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-19 13:47:57 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive
Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you
think you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with,
they manage to produce something even worse. Their cognitive
dissonance and ability to pull out bizarre notions from who
knows where, on top of a perfectly well-defined technical
procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen this before with GPS,
where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic clocks
in the receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far
away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took
place 17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity
and fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning
(within measurement accuracy)
Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows
this pathetic bullshit out.
Wrong. Two identical pendulum clocks, one on Earth, one on the
moon, wouldn't even be close to functioning identically.
Indeed, stupid Mike, and that's why Python's
"Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy)" is just some delusion
of a fanatic idiot.
Oh, it was a "nothing goes" day for Maciej Wozniak yesterday :-)
No [snip slander]
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
No, neither seriously nor any other way.
Just another slander of yours.
Still, your "logic" of
"identical clocks"=>"identical functioning
(within measurement accuracy)" is kind of
absurd. Like most of your "logic".
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different
results.” That witticism — I'll call it “Einstein Insanity” — is usually
attributed to Albert Einstein.
Your idiot guru was an idiot, sure, but
suggesting he didn't know the basics of
probability is IMHO too much.
Python
2024-08-19 12:39:08 UTC
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...
Still, your "logic" of
"identical clocks"=>"identical functioning
(within measurement accuracy)" is kind of
absurd.
Would it satisfy you if I'd only written "clocks functioning
identically (within measurement accuracy)" (i.e. removed
"identical clocks", btw?
Richard Hachel
2024-08-19 14:56:44 UTC
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Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
Two clocks placed in different places will mark different times.
This subtlety is difficult to understand, as universal gravitation was
difficult to understand.
"The earth cannot be round, it is absurd, otherwise, there would be no
water in the oceans".
Let's separate these two perfectly synchronized watches by 3.10^8m.
An event occurs on watch A at 00'00". What does this mean: "Einstein, for
once is right, he says that this means that event A occurred at the moment
when watch A marked 00'00". It is a local joint event".
But what time did watch B mark AT THE TIME when FOR B event A occurred?
This is where the human stupidity of 7 billion morons will come into play,
who will not try to understand the very bases of the theory and why it is
like this, and how the universe is made.
The basic moron (Jean-Pierre Python) will throw himself on the ground
holding his sides. Believing he understood everything with his two
neurons.
"But you didn't understand anything... you didn't understand anything"...

R.H.
Python
2024-08-19 15:07:47 UTC
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Post by Python
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
What Wozniak claim is not at all what you pretend to hear there...

It's even worse (yes, it is possible!). He claims that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate.

Or maybe that it possible on Mondays and Wednesdays (but not in
February, who knows?)

He's a worst weirdo than you. Impressive!
Richard Hachel
2024-08-19 15:51:10 UTC
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Post by Richard Hachel
Yet this is true.
What Wozniak claim is not at all what you pretend to hear there...
It's even worse (yes, it is possible!). He claims that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate.
Or maybe that it possible on Mondays and Wednesdays (but not in
February, who knows?)
He's a worst weirdo than you. Impressive!
In short, he claims that two stationary watches cannot have the same
chronotropy (internal measurement of time) if they are not in the same
place, but that t'=t if the watches are in relative motion?
Readers will have to hang on.

R.H.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-19 16:08:19 UTC
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Post by Richard Hachel
Post by Python
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
What Wozniak claim is not at all what you pretend to hear there...
It's even worse (yes, it is possible!). He claims that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate.
slander
noun [ C or U ]
uk /ˈslɑːn.dər/ us /ˈslæn.dɚ/
a false spoken statement about someone that damages their reputation, or
the making of such a statement:
Python
2024-08-19 20:32:37 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Richard Hachel
Post by Python
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
What Wozniak claim is not at all what you pretend to hear there...
It's even worse (yes, it is possible!). He claims that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate.
slander
noun [ C or U ]
uk  /ˈslɑːn.dər/ us  /ˈslæn.dɚ/
a false spoken statement about someone that damages their reputation, or
This is definitely not slander.

The only point of my post you pretend to be "bullshit out" is exactly
that, at this point of my post it is the only required condition for
two clocks I need for.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-19 21:12:09 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Richard Hachel
Post by Python
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
What Wozniak claim is not at all what you pretend to hear there...
It's even worse (yes, it is possible!). He claims that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate.
slander
noun [ C or U ]
uk  /ˈslɑːn.dər/ us  /ˈslæn.dɚ/
a false spoken statement about someone that damages their reputation,
This is definitely not slander.
As I've definitely never claimed anything like that
- it's definitely false, and as you definitely brought
this lie to damage my reputation - it's definitely a
slander.
Nothing surprising from a piece of fanatic relativistic
shit, of course.
Python
2024-08-19 21:16:59 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Richard Hachel
Post by Python
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
What Wozniak claim is not at all what you pretend to hear there...
It's even worse (yes, it is possible!). He claims that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate.
slander
noun [ C or U ]
uk  /ˈslɑːn.dər/ us  /ˈslæn.dɚ/
a false spoken statement about someone that damages their reputation,
This is definitely not slander.
As I've definitely never  claimed  anything like that
like what?
- it's  definitely false, and as you definitely brought
this  lie to damage my reputation - it's definitely a
slander.
Nothing surprising from a piece of [snip profanities]
There is NO WAY to damage your reputation Wozniak, face it.
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-19 21:31:33 UTC
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Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Richard Hachel
Post by Python
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
What Wozniak claim is not at all what you pretend to hear there...
It's even worse (yes, it is possible!). He claims that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate.
slander
noun [ C or U ]
uk  /ˈslɑːn.dər/ us  /ˈslæn.dɚ/
a false spoken statement about someone that damages their
This is definitely not slander.
As I've definitely never  claimed  anything like that
like what?
Like the above " that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate".
Post by Python
- it's  definitely false, and as you definitely brought
this  lie to damage my reputation - it's definitely a
slander.
Nothing surprising from a piece of [snip profanities]
There is NO WAY to damage your reputation Wozniak, face it.
Still you constantly lie trying to damage it.
As expected from a piece of fanatic relativistic
shit, of course - that's what your moronic
religion is training its doggies for.

And whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
would be, and he has written it clearly
enough for anyone able to read (even if not
clearly enough for you, poor stinker).
Python
2024-08-19 21:39:08 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Richard Hachel
Post by Python
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
What Wozniak claim is not at all what you pretend to hear there...
It's even worse (yes, it is possible!). He claims that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate.
slander
noun [ C or U ]
uk  /ˈslɑːn.dər/ us  /ˈslæn.dɚ/
a false spoken statement about someone that damages their
This is definitely not slander.
As I've definitely never  claimed  anything like that
like what?
Like the above " that two clocks
 cannot have the same beat rate".
This is the only point I need at this step of my post you
choked on. So replace my prerequisite by "have the same beat
rate" and read on.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
- it's  definitely false, and as you definitely brought
this  lie to damage my reputation - it's definitely a
slander.
Nothing surprising from a piece of [snip profanities]
There is NO WAY to damage your reputation Wozniak, face it.
Still you constantly lie trying to damage it.
1. I'm not lying
2. I do not damage your reputation, even if I'd like to :-D
Maciej Wozniak
2024-08-20 05:04:23 UTC
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Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Python
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
Post by Richard Hachel
Post by Python
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
What Wozniak claim is not at all what you pretend to hear there...
It's even worse (yes, it is possible!). He claims that two clocks
cannot have the same beat rate.
slander
noun [ C or U ]
uk  /ˈslɑːn.dər/ us  /ˈslæn.dɚ/
a false spoken statement about someone that damages their
This is definitely not slander.
As I've definitely never  claimed  anything like that
like what?
Like the above " that two clocks
  cannot have the same beat rate".
This is the only point I need at this step of my post you
choked on.
Fuck your needs - I haven't claimed it or anything
similar, you lied/slandered about it, as usual.



So replace my prerequisite by "have the same beat
Post by Python
rate" and read on.
Post by Maciej Wozniak
Post by Python
- it's  definitely false, and as you definitely brought
this  lie to damage my reputation - it's definitely a
slander.
Nothing surprising from a piece of [snip profanities]
There is NO WAY to damage your reputation Wozniak, face it.
Still you constantly lie trying to damage it.
1. I'm not lying
Yes, you are.
Post by Python
2. I do not damage your reputation, even if I'd like to :-D
You don't, but that's still the intention
of most of your lies.
Mikko
2024-08-20 11:04:57 UTC
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Post by Python
Are you that delusional that you cannot realize that pretending
that building and putting at different places two clocks with "identical
functioning (within measurement accuracy)" is impossible is *weird*?
Seriously Wozniak?
Yet this is true.
Two clocks placed in different places will mark different times.
A clock does not mark a specific time. It marks many times, one
after another. Another clock at another place also marks manu
times, one after another.
--
Mikko
Beraldo Papadelias
2024-08-18 17:16:24 UTC
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Taking 2 identical pendulum clocks blows this pathetic bullshit out.
Wrong. Two identical pendulum clocks, one on Earth, one on the moon,
wouldn't even be close to functioning identically. Two identical clocks,
one in zero gravity deep space the other on earth wouldn't function
identically either, because the one in deep space wouldn't work at all.
Meanwhile, two identical balance spring/electronic clocks would work
identically, other than a tiny correction for different GR effects. This
is because the "identical" pendulum clocks are NOT identical in the
mentioned situations. "Planet not included."
I love you, my friend, for your consistency. However, not to forget,
consistency is only an outcome of macro scale configuration, which make me
doubt the consistency itself. According to my theory
"𝙊𝙣_𝙩𝙝𝙚_𝘿𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙜𝙚𝙣𝙩_𝙈𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧_𝙤𝙛_𝙩𝙝𝙚_𝙈𝙤𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜_𝙆𝙤𝙚𝙧𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨_𝙈𝙤𝙙𝙚𝙡". But your post is
deeply appreciated, my friend. That's me. I always appreciate consistency
posts of everything. Beyond it, I dont know much, I wish I could.

𝗣𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗵_𝗣𝗠_𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁𝘀_𝗡𝗼𝗿𝗱_𝗦𝘁𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗺_𝘀𝗰𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗮𝗹_𝗯𝘂𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗱
Whoever funded and carried out the sabotage operation should shut up,
Donald Tusk has said
https://www.r%74.com/news/602761-tusk-nord-stream-quiet/

Bury Nordstream sabotage scandal together with EU's economy.

Once you accept the 1st bribe - you are enslaved to Nato, the Zionists,
the Governments, - you name it. And then, you are finished as being
Honest.

let the scandal be buried after the truth comes out and the consequences
of those perpetrators are dealt with

Terrorists wanting their crimes against humanity buried.... They need
buried.

not surprising as poland signed with usa a natural gas supply from usa
just before nord stream explosion occured

Says terrorist who helped destroying German economy be depriving it from
cheap natural gas. Do Germans have any self respect left in them as a
nation?
Thomas Heger
2024-08-18 09:57:35 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability to
pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a perfectly
well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen this before
with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic
clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far
away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure described
by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place 17 years ago
and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other at
a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the same rate." NOTHING
more is assumed, especially regarding the time they display; the purpose
is PRECISELY to adjust one of these clocks by applying a correction
after a calculation involving the values indicated on these clocks
during specific events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure but a
method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main difference from
Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that Poincaré’s method
leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense. You can also transform
Einstein’s verification method into a synchronization procedure because
it allows calculating the correction to apply to clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light signal
is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you would
synchronize clock A with clock B.

But this requirement was not fullfilled in Einstein's scheme, because
Einstein didn't take delay into consideration.

If A and B are located at different places in the universe and maintain
their distance (at least as long as the procedure lasts), then delay
(A->B) should be equal to delay(B->A).

If you would encode time into the exchanged signal, you could compare
the local reading of your own clock (at -say- B in this case) with the
content of the code in the received message from A, if you add
delay(A->B) to t_A (which is encoded in the timing signal).

But Einstein didn't calculate that delay, nor even mentioned it.

So Einstein assumed something absurd:

beings at B should see a blink of light, comming from A, compare that
with their own clock and sent a light signal back to A.

But: how do these beings know t_A in the first place?

Sure, Einstein assumed kind of 'large telescope setting', where beings
at B could see the clock at A.

But this wouldn't cause a symmetric synchronization, because the signal
arrives delayed at B and Einstein didn't calculate that delay.

This would cause an obvious error, because the clock at B had to be set
to an earlier time setting than it should, because the vision of the
remote clock is delayed.

Now this cannot be made symmetric, because otherwise the beings at both
ends of the communication would turn their own clocks earlier and
earlier (with each communication), because the remote station does that,
too.


...


TH
Python
2024-08-18 10:05:33 UTC
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Post by Thomas Heger
Post by Python
**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability
to pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a
perfectly well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen
this before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies,
like atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock
infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place
17 years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the same rate."
NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the time they display;
the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of these clocks by applying a
correction after a calculation involving the values indicated on these
clocks during specific events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF
EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure but a
method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main difference
from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that Poincaré’s
method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense. You can also
transform Einstein’s verification method into a synchronization
procedure because it allows calculating the correction to apply to
clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light
signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you would
synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
Post by Thomas Heger
But this requirement was not fullfilled in Einstein's scheme, because
Einstein didn't take delay into consideration.
The delay *is taken into account* this why (AB)/c intervene, as I've
shown.
Post by Thomas Heger
If A and B are located at different places in the universe and maintain
their distance (at least as long as the procedure lasts), then delay
(A->B) should be equal to delay(B->A).
If you would encode time into the exchanged signal, you could compare
the local reading of your own clock (at -say- B in this case) with the
content of the code in the received message from A, if you add
delay(A->B) to t_A (which is encoded in the timing signal).
What you wrote is a fantasy of yours and has nothing to do with
Einstein's procedure which embed the delay in the two postulates
he stated (one is backed by experiments about round trip light
propagation, the other one is - partly - conventional).
Post by Thomas Heger
But Einstein didn't calculate that delay, nor even mentioned it.
Every sane person recognize the delay when noticing that (AB)/c is
appearing when you turn the verification procedure into a
synchronization procedure. You are NOT a sane person, you are
a demented crook.
No. You do.
Post by Thomas Heger
beings at B should see a blink of light, comming from A, compare that
with their own clock and sent a light signal back to A.
But: how do these beings know t_A in the first place?
Easy: juste write down t_A on a piece of paper when emitting the
first signal.
Post by Thomas Heger
Sure, Einstein assumed kind of 'large telescope setting', where beings
at B could see the clock at A.
Not at all. There is nothing of this kind in Einstein's procedure. This
is something you made up.
Post by Thomas Heger
But this wouldn't cause a symmetric synchronization, because the signal
arrives delayed at B and Einstein didn't calculate that delay.
The delay is embedded in the procedure. What do you think (AB)/c is?
Post by Thomas Heger
This would cause an obvious error, because the clock at B had to be set
to an earlier time setting than it should, because the vision of the
remote clock is delayed.
And the delay is taken into account.
Post by Thomas Heger
Now this cannot be made symmetric, because otherwise the beings at both
ends of the communication would turn their own clocks earlier and
earlier (with each communication), because the remote station does that,
too.
It is symmetric. The proof is actually quite easy, even if out of your
reach.
Babadjan Pakhunov
2024-08-18 11:41:54 UTC
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Post by Thomas Heger
If you would encode time into the exchanged signal, you could compare
the local reading of your own clock (at -say- B in this case) with the
content of the code in the received message from A, if you add
delay(A->B) to t_A (which is encoded in the timing signal).
What you wrote is a fantasy of yours and has nothing to do with
Einstein's procedure which embed the delay in the two postulates he
stated (one is backed by experiments about round trip light propagation,
the other one is - partly - conventional).
no. It's you, incapable to name the jew. Not naming the jew makes you
never become a big scientist. You are fucking blind, not naming the jew.
Genocide to you wannabe physicists, is nothing when it comes to naming the
jew. The gypsy Einstine was a pervert 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮, not even a jew. Leaving
his family, intelligent wife and two kids, for whoring in america, be
fucked in his ass by his cousin, who was a man. It looks like the
𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮 hitler was protecting his jews in those refugee recreations
camps; red bricks camps, facilitating swimming pools, theaters, cinemas
and centers for sport activities. Yes, it looks like the fucking hitler
was a 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮, a big 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮.

people don't afford today red bricks houses, ffs. Look at america, all
houses are putrid tree, worth in "millions" dollars you have to pay; to
the banks, which are jew too.

𝗭𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗸𝘆_𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗻𝗹𝘆_𝗰𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗰𝗶𝘇𝗲𝘀_𝗨𝗞_𝗴𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁
Kiev needs “bold decisions” from the West to defeat Russia, the Ukrainian
leader has said
https://www.r%74.com/news/602739-zelensky-british-support-slowed-down/

Bill clinton used to criticize zews so mossad sent Monica ( a Jewish) to
sk his willy and impeach him

Non-Gentile 卐lenskyy ignores Ukraine's 'sovereignty' is its own
resposibility. Yet he knows NATO will not stop the cash until Ukraine
looks like a dirty ashtray, a most appropriate end game for an Ash-ke-
Nazi, non-Gentile, illegitimate leader serving the interests of hidden
monarch Lord Rothschild.

Zelensky of course knows that when the situation becomes too dangerous for
him, he can always escape to Gay Aviv.

Has Zelensky relocated his two Ukrainian children out of London yet, that
would be advisable as one is of draft fighting age.

He has a daughter named Oleksandra, born in 2004, and a son named Kyrylo,
born in 2013 both of whom are in London Prime estate! don't forget the 34
million $ dollar penthouse in florida the villa in tuscany the sea
frontage condo in monaco and yes level apartment in prime location london!
ps all the government officials got their sons daughters out long ago so
not to serve in the Russians meat grinder!

Wow! Now the Ukraine jew thinks they are in charge and can tell the West
what to do! I think the end of the war is VERY , very CLOSE!

Strange world. A country wanting to fight a war but only can depend on
others, itself is not capable or competent enough. But can still chide
others for not supporting enough. Unethical, Shameless and low moral value
are part of their game today
Thomas Heger
2024-08-19 06:44:07 UTC
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Post by Thomas Heger
Post by Python
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the same
rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the time they
display; the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of these clocks by
applying a correction after a calculation involving the values
indicated on these clocks during specific events, events that occur
AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure but
a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main difference
from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that Poincaré’s
method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense. You can also
transform Einstein’s verification method into a synchronization
procedure because it allows calculating the correction to apply to
clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light
signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you
would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!

Einstein's method did not allow mutally symmetric synchronization.

Einstein's method would cause an error, because if you do not add the
time of travel for the signal, you would turn the own clock to a time
too early, if you synchronize it with a received timing signal.

This 'too early' would change the setting of your clock to a time too
early. This is seen from the far side, where the observers there try to
synchronize their clocks with your clock, which is already to early, but
with additional (uncompensated) delay.

This would make the whole installation run in a backwards circle.

This is way too obvious to ignore, but not what Einstein had done or
written.
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Post by Thomas Heger
But this requirement was not fullfilled in Einstein's scheme, because
Einstein didn't take delay into consideration.
The delay *is taken into account* this why (AB)/c intervene, as I've
shown.
The word 'delay' or anything similar did not occur in Einstein's text.

There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted as
delay calculation.

Delay for a signal from A->B in distance x would be:

x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c

Extremely simple, isn't it?

Now you need to measure this delay, because you cannot measure distance
x with rods (at least in cosmology).

But where have you found such a calculation in Einstein's text???

And where have you found any use of the value for delay?

I personally have searched for it but couldn't find that.

This leaves only one interpretation: that Einstein didn't want to take
delay into considerations.

This would fit to his obscure method, which assignes different time
values to remote locations in different distances, but within the same
coordinate system.



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Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other
at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the
same rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the time
they display; the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of these clocks
by applying a correction after a calculation involving the values
indicated on these clocks during specific events, events that occur
AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure but
a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main
difference from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that
Poincaré’s method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense.
You can also transform Einstein’s verification method into a
synchronization procedure because it allows calculating the
correction to apply to clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light
signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you
would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
Post by Thomas Heger
Einstein's method did not allow mutally symmetric synchronization.
The procedure can be proven symmetric. Face it.
Post by Thomas Heger
Einstein's method would cause an error, because if you do not add the
time of travel for the signal, you would turn the own clock to a time
too early, if you synchronize it with a received timing signal.
Einstein's method, which is a checking method, end up adding the
delay as it can be shown very easily by turning it into a
synchronization procedure, as shown in my post.
Post by Thomas Heger
This 'too early' would change the setting of your clock to a time too
early. This is seen from the far side, where the observers there try to
synchronize their clocks with your clock, which is already to early, but
with additional (uncompensated) delay.
This is not AT ALL what Einstein's method does.
Post by Thomas Heger
This would make the whole installation run in a backwards circle.
This is way too obvious to ignore, but not what Einstein had done or
written.
It is way too obvious to notice that the delay is embedded in the very
definition of the method. Only YOU are too stupid to notice.
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But this requirement was not fullfilled in Einstein's scheme, because
Einstein didn't take delay into consideration.
The delay *is taken into account* this why (AB)/c intervene, as I've
shown.
The word 'delay' or anything similar did not occur in Einstein's text.
The delay is part of the method, as I've shown. Einstein was writing
to an audience that is not dumb enough to need to see the letters
d e l a y to get it. You are not part of this audience Thomas.
Post by Thomas Heger
There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted as
delay calculation.
As I've shown there is. A single step from the provided equations
leads to t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
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x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c
Extremely simple, isn't it?
Extremely stupid insteed x=c*t is not generally true. x/c is
not at all the delay your asking for. (AB)/c is such a delay.
Post by Thomas Heger
Now you need to measure this delay, because you cannot measure distance
x with rods (at least in cosmology).
If rods are not practical, then use another method.

The point of synchronizing clocks is practically about clocks involved
in a single experiment in a single laboratory by the way, not
cosmological distances.
Post by Thomas Heger
But where have you found such a calculation in Einstein's text???
Distance (AB) is assumed to be known.
Post by Thomas Heger
And where have you found any use of the value for delay?
From both equation provided by A.E. I can derive t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
i.e. t'_A = t_B - "delay"
Post by Thomas Heger
I personally have searched for it but couldn't find that.
You are not very smart, are you?
Post by Thomas Heger
This leaves only one interpretation: that Einstein didn't want to take
delay into considerations.
Absolutely not.

You were clearly misunderstanding everything from the very
beginning (it took you *years* to get that clock A & B are mutually at
rest ! Go figure !). Iif you had a bit of sanity you would have
tried to find this delay using algebra (it is not quite "hidden" !),
instead you made up stupid stuff out of nowhere like : "Sure, Einstein
assumed kind of 'large telescope setting', where beings at B could see
the clock at A." which nobody could find a trace of in A.E. article.
Post by Thomas Heger
This would fit to his obscure method, which assignes different time
values to remote locations in different distances, but within the same
coordinate system.
There is nothing obscure in the method, at least to numerous people.

I actually wrote my initial post to help make this not obscure at all
for other kind of people.

Clearly, I overestimated the mental abilities of few of these people
(you and Lengrand/Hachel/Wozniak/...)
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Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the
same rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the time
they display; the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of these
clocks by applying a correction after a calculation involving the
values indicated on these clocks during specific events, events
that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure
but a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main
difference from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that
Poincaré’s method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense.
You can also transform Einstein’s verification method into a
synchronization procedure because it allows calculating the
correction to apply to clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light
signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you
would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
AB was actually meant as:

distance from A to B,

even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually be
the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).

Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ),
Einstein had not written AB/c (or r_AB/c).

What he had actually written was

r_AB/(c-v)
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Einstein's method did not allow mutally symmetric synchronization.
The procedure can be proven symmetric. Face it.
No, it wouldn't.

I take as example two spaceships in 1 lightseconds distance, which are
called A and B.



Both have a HUGE clock strapped to that spaceship and use a VERY HUGE
telescope to read the clock of the other ship.


Now clock A shows 12 o'clock and zero seconds.

Ship B reads this at time 12 o'clock plus 1 second, but turns the own
clock (showing 12 o'clock plus one seconds) back by one second.

Now the observer of ship A reads the clock from ship B and reads 12
o'clock plus zero seconds, while the own clock shows 12 o'clock plus one
seconds.

This is regarded as an error and the own clocks as being ahead, hence it
was turned back to 12 o'clock plus zero seconds.

This is seen from ship B, where the own clock shows actually 12 o'clock
plus one second. This is corrected by adjustment of one second, by which
that clock is turned backwards.

This could go on forever, while both clocks would stand still.

But certainly this is not what you would call 'synchronization'.


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Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the
same rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the time
they display; the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of these
clocks by applying a correction after a calculation involving the
values indicated on these clocks during specific events, events
that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure
but a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main
difference from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven
that Poincaré’s method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s
sense. You can also transform Einstein’s verification method into
a synchronization procedure because it allows calculating the
correction to apply to clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light
signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you
synchronize clock B with clock A, this must come to the same
result, as if you would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually be
the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
Yes it would be absurd. BTW you are conflating affine spaces with
vector spaces here.
Post by Thomas Heger
Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ),
Well, Thomas, this is utterly ridiculous. Any reader understands what
AB as it appears in 2AB/(t'_A - t_A) is the distance AB. From high
school to Ph. D.
Post by Thomas Heger
Einstein had not written AB/c (or r_AB/c).
It appears after ONE step of elementary algebra from the two first
equations on page 3 there :

https://users.physics.ox.ac.uk/~rtaylor/teaching/specrel.pdf

Do you really think that readers (physicists) in 1905 couldn't
immediately recognize this from two so simple equations, Thomas ?
Really ?
Post by Thomas Heger
What he had actually written was
r_AB/(c-v)
This is in paragraph 3. We are dealing with paragraph 2 here.
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Einstein's method did not allow mutally symmetric synchronization.
The procedure can be proven symmetric. Face it.
No, it wouldn't.
It can be shown. This is a very simple exercise even for high school
students. You cannot seriously pretend to be an engineer Thomas.
Post by Thomas Heger
I take as example two spaceships in 1 lightseconds distance, which are
called A and B.
Both have a HUGE clock strapped to that spaceship and use a VERY HUGE
telescope to read the clock of the other ship.
The is NO reading of another clock with a telescope in the procedure
described at paragraph 2 (nor elsewhere in the article)

There is no point in addressing something you made up and is by
NO WAY related to something Einstein wrote or implied.
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Now clock A shows 12 o'clock and zero seconds.
Ship B reads this at time 12 o'clock plus 1 second, but turns the own
clock (showing 12 o'clock plus one seconds) back by one second.
Now the observer of ship A reads the clock from ship B and reads 12
o'clock plus zero seconds, while the own clock shows 12 o'clock plus one
seconds.
This is regarded as an error and the own clocks as being ahead, hence it
was turned back to 12 o'clock plus zero seconds.
This is seen from ship B, where the own clock shows actually 12 o'clock
plus one second. This is corrected by adjustment of one second, by which
that clock is turned backwards.
This could go on forever, while both clocks would stand still.
But certainly this is not what you would call 'synchronization'.
Sure. Hopefully this is not at all related what Einstein wrote. This
is, again, something you MADE UP out of nowhere. You are actually
describing Hachel's defective, inconsistent, "method", not Einstein's
one.

I know your French is bad, nevertheless everything I wrote in my
initial post has been recomposed in LaTeX, the pdf is there :

https://gitlab.com/python_431/cranks-and-physics/-/blob/main/Hachel/dissonance_lengrand.pdf

(there were ONE mistake in ONE equation in my initial post, could
you find it?)

Alternatively you can read Paul's post in this thread, he's explaining
Einstein's method of synchronization too. He is synchronizing B on A,
while I'm synchronizing A on B. Nevertheless it leads to the same
result : Einstein's method is consistent AND symmetric.
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Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the
same rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the
time they display; the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of
these clocks by applying a correction after a calculation
involving the values indicated on these clocks during specific
events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure
but a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main
difference from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven
that Poincaré’s method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s
sense. You can also transform Einstein’s verification method into
a synchronization procedure because it allows calculating the
correction to apply to clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light
signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you
synchronize clock B with clock A, this must come to the same
result, as if you would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually
be the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
Yes it would be absurd. BTW you are conflating affine spaces with
vector spaces here.
Post by Thomas Heger
Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ),
Well, Thomas, this is utterly ridiculous. Any reader understands what
AB as it appears in 2AB/(t'_A - t_A) is the distance AB. From high
school to Ph. D.
"the distance AB" is not equal to "AB"!

Actually meant was: 'A' and 'B' denote locations in a certain coordinate
system, hence are technically position vectors.

Because a product of vectors is possible, 'AB' would be the product of A
and B.

If you want to adress the distance from point 'A' to point 'B' you
cannot simply say 'AB'.

Whether or not 'any reader understands' is patently irrelevant.
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Einstein had not written AB/c (or r_AB/c).
It appears after ONE step of elementary algebra from the two first
https://users.physics.ox.ac.uk/~rtaylor/teaching/specrel.pdf
Do you really think that readers (physicists) in 1905 couldn't
immediately recognize this from two so simple equations, Thomas ?
SRT is certainly a socio-cultural mystery and the question you wrote is
also a mystery.

I have not dealt with that question, but here with a formal issue.

My point was, that 'AB' is not a valid symbol for 'distance from point A
to point B'.
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What he had actually written was
r_AB/(c-v)
This is in paragraph 3. We are dealing with paragraph 2 here.
Sure, but §3 does not contain the equation you quoted.
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"... It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?.."
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Einstein's method did not allow mutally symmetric synchronization.
The procedure can be proven symmetric. Face it.
No, it wouldn't.
It can be shown. This is a very simple exercise even for high school
students. You cannot seriously pretend to be an engineer Thomas.
Post by Thomas Heger
I take as example two spaceships in 1 lightseconds distance, which are
called A and B.
Both have a HUGE clock strapped to that spaceship and use a VERY HUGE
telescope to read the clock of the other ship.
The is NO reading of another clock with a telescope in the procedure
described at paragraph 2 (nor elsewhere in the article)
Sure, there ain't.

But it should, because relativity requires mutually symmetric relations.

This means:

if one side can apply a certain method, than the other side should be
allowed to apply the same method, too.

If you would not require this, you would drop the essence of relativity,
which says, that all inertial frames of reference are of equal rights.

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Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within
measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the
same rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the
time they display; the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of
these clocks by applying a correction after a calculation
involving the values indicated on these clocks during specific
events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure
but a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main
difference from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven
that Poincaré’s method leads to clocks synchronized in
Einstein’s sense. You can also transform Einstein’s verification
method into a synchronization procedure because it allows
calculating the correction to apply to clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a
light signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you
synchronize clock B with clock A, this must come to the same
result, as if you would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually
be the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
Yes it would be absurd. BTW you are conflating affine spaces with
vector spaces here.
Post by Thomas Heger
Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ),
Well, Thomas, this is utterly ridiculous. Any reader understands what
AB as it appears in 2AB/(t'_A - t_A) is the distance AB. From high
school to Ph. D.
"the distance AB" is not equal to "AB"!
The distance between A and B can be denoted in a lot of ways. The point
is to ensure that there is no ambiguity given the context. As a matter
of fact Einstein in the ORIGINAL paper used an overbar on top of
AB
(https://myweb.rz.uni-augsburg.de/~eckern/adp/history/einstein-papers/1905_17_891-921.pdf)

So if there were someone to blame here, it would be the translator.

But there is no one to blame the context is clear enough.
Post by Thomas Heger
Actually meant was: 'A' and 'B' denote locations in a certain coordinate
system, hence are technically position vectors.
Technically there are points in an affine space. Don't pontificate on
math when you are ignorant of it Thomas.
Post by Thomas Heger
Because a product of vectors is possible, 'AB' would be the product of A
and B.
You are ridiculous.
Post by Thomas Heger
If you want to adress the distance from point 'A' to point 'B' you
cannot simply say 'AB'.
You can.
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Whether or not 'any reader understands' is patently irrelevant.
It is not. Every text as an intended audience.
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Einstein had not written AB/c (or r_AB/c).
It appears after ONE step of elementary algebra from the two first
https://users.physics.ox.ac.uk/~rtaylor/teaching/specrel.pdf
Do you really think that readers (physicists) in 1905 couldn't
immediately recognize this from two so simple equations, Thomas ?
SRT is certainly a socio-cultural mystery and the question you wrote is
also a mystery.
A mystery to YOU because you are stupid.
Post by Thomas Heger
I have not dealt with that question, but here with a formal issue.
My point was, that 'AB' is not a valid symbol for 'distance from point A
to point B'.
And you are wrong.
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What he had actually written was
r_AB/(c-v)
This is in paragraph 3. We are dealing with paragraph 2 here.
Sure, but §3 does not contain the equation you quoted.
I didn't pretend otherwise, you did. Moreover §3 is off-topic: we
are talking about clocks synchronization here.
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"... It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to
you?.."
Yes. And (AB)/c can be derived from equations in part I.2 by elementary
algebra.
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Einstein's method did not allow mutally symmetric synchronization.
The procedure can be proven symmetric. Face it.
No, it wouldn't.
It can be shown. This is a very simple exercise even for high school
students. You cannot seriously pretend to be an engineer Thomas.
Post by Thomas Heger
I take as example two spaceships in 1 lightseconds distance, which
are called A and B.
Both have a HUGE clock strapped to that spaceship and use a VERY HUGE
telescope to read the clock of the other ship.
The is NO reading of another clock with a telescope in the procedure
described at paragraph 2 (nor elsewhere in the article)
Sure, there ain't.
So STOP mentioning it!!!
Post by Thomas Heger
But it should, because relativity requires mutually symmetric relations.
You say "it should" because you fail to understand the procedure, as
a matter of fact it shouldn't. Values of t_A and t_A' can be
communicated to B, as well as value of t_B to A by any means. Including
carrier pigeons or slugs. It doesn't matter.

Moreover the procedure described in paragraph I.2 IS SYMMETRIC!

It is high school level math. You really want me to show you the proof
or can you try to write it down by yourself?
Post by Thomas Heger
if one side can apply a certain method, than the other side should be
allowed to apply the same method, too.
Yes.
Post by Thomas Heger
If you would not require this, you would drop the essence of relativity,
which says, that all inertial frames of reference are of equal rights.
It is worse that that. If you drop symmetry you cannot even define a
*single* frame of reference consistently.
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Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning
(within measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they
"tick at the same rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially
regarding the time they display; the purpose is PRECISELY to
adjust one of these clocks by applying a correction after a
calculation involving the values indicated on these clocks
during specific events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization
procedure but a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is
the main difference from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can
be proven that Poincaré’s method leads to clocks synchronized
in Einstein’s sense. You can also transform Einstein’s
verification method into a synchronization procedure because it
allows calculating the correction to apply to clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a
light signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you
synchronize clock B with clock A, this must come to the same
result, as if you would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually
be the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
Yes it would be absurd. BTW you are conflating affine spaces with
vector spaces here.
Post by Thomas Heger
Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ),
Well, Thomas, this is utterly ridiculous. Any reader understands what
AB as it appears in 2AB/(t'_A - t_A) is the distance AB. From high
school to Ph. D.
"the distance AB" is not equal to "AB"!
The distance between A and B can be denoted in a lot of ways. The point
is to ensure that there is no ambiguity given the context. As a matter
of fact Einstein in the ORIGINAL paper used an overbar on top of
AB
(https://myweb.rz.uni-augsburg.de/~eckern/adp/history/einstein-papers/1905_17_891-921.pdf)
So if there were someone to blame here, it would be the translator.
I wrote annotations from a certain perspective:

I treated the text in question as homework of a student and myself as
hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections for that paper.

Therefore, I had the duty and the right to complain about a missing overbar.

I maintained, if possible, the interpretation, which is exactly the
opposite from what the author possibly wanted, but what would fit to
what was actually written.

This sounds a little 'hostile', but my aim was to teach scientific
correctness, which would not allow ambiguity.

Therefore, 'AB' was interpreted as 'algebraic product of two position
vectors A and B'.

That was certainly not, what Einstein wanted, but was a possible
interpretation.

Since ambiguity is counted against the author's intentions, I used the
most remote valid interpretation.

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Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each
other at a certain distance. Their identical functioning
(within measurement accuracy) allows us to assume that they
"tick at the same rate." NOTHING more is assumed, especially
regarding the time they display; the purpose is PRECISELY to
adjust one of these clocks by applying a correction after a
calculation involving the values indicated on these clocks
during specific events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization
procedure but a method to VERIFY their synchronization. This
is the main difference from Poincaré’s approach. However, it
can be proven that Poincaré’s method leads to clocks
synchronized in Einstein’s sense. You can also transform
Einstein’s verification method into a synchronization
procedure because it allows calculating the correction to
apply to clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a
light signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you
synchronize clock B with clock A, this must come to the same
result, as if you would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would
usually be the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
Yes it would be absurd. BTW you are conflating affine spaces with
vector spaces here.
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Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ),
Well, Thomas, this is utterly ridiculous. Any reader understands what
AB as it appears in 2AB/(t'_A - t_A) is the distance AB. From high
school to Ph. D.
"the distance AB" is not equal to "AB"!
The distance between A and B can be denoted in a lot of ways. The point
is to ensure that there is no ambiguity given the context. As a matter
of fact Einstein in the ORIGINAL paper used an overbar on top of
AB
(https://myweb.rz.uni-augsburg.de/~eckern/adp/history/einstein-papers/1905_17_891-921.pdf)
So if there were someone to blame here, it would be the translator.
I treated the text in question as homework of a student and myself as
hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections for that paper.
You cannot pretend to be a professor, even hypothetical, when dealing
with subject you are both ignorant of and too stupid to understand.
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Therefore, I had the duty and the right to complain about a missing overbar.
Not really, as it doesn't alter the comprehension of the text, for
sane people I mean.
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I maintained, if possible, the interpretation, which is exactly the
opposite from what the author possibly wanted, but what would fit to
what was actually written.
This sounds a little 'hostile', but my aim was to teach scientific
correctness, which would not allow ambiguity.
Therefore, 'AB' was interpreted as 'algebraic product of two position
vectors A and B'.
Which is an utterly idiotic interpretation. A and B are points in an
affine space.
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That was certainly not, what Einstein wanted, but was a possible
interpretation.
Since ambiguity is counted against the author's intentions, I used the
most remote valid interpretation.
There is ZERO ambiguity.
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It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would
usually be the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
Yes it would be absurd. BTW you are conflating affine spaces with
vector spaces here.
Post by Thomas Heger
Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ),
Well, Thomas, this is utterly ridiculous. Any reader understands what
AB as it appears in 2AB/(t'_A - t_A) is the distance AB. From high
school to Ph. D.
"the distance AB" is not equal to "AB"!
The distance between A and B can be denoted in a lot of ways. The point
is to ensure that there is no ambiguity given the context. As a matter
of fact Einstein in the ORIGINAL paper used an overbar on top of
AB
(https://myweb.rz.uni-augsburg.de/~eckern/adp/history/einstein-papers/1905_17_891-921.pdf)
So if there were someone to blame here, it would be the translator.
I treated the text in question as homework of a student and myself as
hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections for that paper.
You cannot pretend to be a professor, even hypothetical, when dealing
with subject you are both ignorant of and too stupid to understand.
I have already written, that this is a certain perspective of writing.

I could - for instance - write a novel from the perspective of JFK,
after being shot.

You could complain, this is not possible.

Sure, most likely this isn't.

BUT: it's the author, who choses the writing perspective and not the reader.
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It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would
usually be the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
Yes it would be absurd. BTW you are conflating affine spaces with
vector spaces here.
Post by Thomas Heger
Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ),
Well, Thomas, this is utterly ridiculous. Any reader understands what
AB as it appears in 2AB/(t'_A - t_A) is the distance AB. From high
school to Ph. D.
"the distance AB" is not equal to "AB"!
The distance between A and B can be denoted in a lot of ways. The point
is to ensure that there is no ambiguity given the context. As a matter
of fact Einstein in the ORIGINAL paper used an overbar on top of
AB
(https://myweb.rz.uni-augsburg.de/~eckern/adp/history/einstein-papers/1905_17_891-921.pdf)
So if there were someone to blame here, it would be the translator.
I treated the text in question as homework of a student and myself as
hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections for that paper.
You cannot pretend to be a professor, even hypothetical, when dealing
with subject you are both ignorant of and too stupid to understand.
I have already written, that this is a certain perspective of writing.
I could - for instance - write a novel from the perspective of JFK,
after being shot.
You could complain, this is not possible.
Sure, most likely this isn't.
BUT: it's the author, who choses the writing perspective and not the reader.
The reader can evaluate the quality and soundness of a text. Yours
is abysmally bad and absolutely unsound.
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2024-08-24 07:09:19 UTC
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I treated the text in question as homework of a student and myself
as hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections for that paper.
You cannot pretend to be a professor, even hypothetical, when dealing
with subject you are both ignorant of and too stupid to understand.
I have already written, that this is a certain perspective of writing.
I could - for instance - write a novel from the perspective of JFK,
after being shot.
You could complain, this is not possible.
Sure, most likely this isn't.
BUT: it's the author, who choses the writing perspective and not the reader.
The reader can evaluate the quality and soundness of a text. Yours
is abysmally bad and absolutely unsound.
Well, nobody required from you, that you have to like my 'annotations'.

But in case of science, you need to substantiate your critique a little
more than by just expressiong your dislike.

For instance, you could disprove a few of my annotations:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view


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2024-08-25 07:26:04 UTC
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I treated the text in question as homework of a student and myself
as hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections for that paper.
You cannot pretend to be a professor, even hypothetical, when dealing
with subject you are both ignorant of and too stupid to understand.
I have already written, that this is a certain perspective of writing.
I could - for instance - write a novel from the perspective of JFK,
after being shot.
You could complain, this is not possible.
Sure, most likely this isn't.
BUT: it's the author, who choses the writing perspective and not the reader.
The reader can evaluate the quality and soundness of a text. Yours
is abysmally bad and absolutely unsound.
Well, nobody required from you, that you have to like my 'annotations'.
But in case of science, you need to substantiate your critique a little
more than by just expressiong your dislike.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view
I've already disproved your claim about Einstein not taking into account
light propagation time when synchronizing clocks.

A LOT of people have disprove most of you annotations: they are ALL
utterly idiotic and nonsensical.
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2024-08-21 10:21:38 UTC
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relativity requires mutually symmetric relations.
If you would not require this, you would drop the essence of relativity,
which says, that all inertial frames of reference are of equal rights.
Absolutely.

R.H.
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2024-08-20 09:38:03 UTC
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I take as example two spaceships in 1 lightseconds distance, which are
called A and B.
AB = 1 lightsecond
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Both have a HUGE clock strapped to that spaceship and use a VERY HUGE
telescope to read the clock of the other ship.
Now clock A shows 12 o'clock and zero seconds.
"Now" for A.
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Ship B reads this at time 12 o'clock plus 1 second,
Si sa montre est synchronisée en convention Eisntein.
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but turns the own
clock (showing 12 o'clock plus one seconds) back by one second.
Dans ce cas, B est parfaitement synchronisé sur A, c'est à dire que B
"vit" exactement dans la
même simultanéité que A, dans le même instant présent que B.

C'était vrai au départ, et ça l'est encore plus sur les horloges.
Post by Thomas Heger
Now the observer of ship A reads the clock from ship B and reads 12
o'clock plus zero seconds, while the own clock shows 12 o'clock plus one
seconds.
No!

J'ai reculé ma montre B d'une seconde.

A me voyait déjà, lui, avec une seconde de retard.

Il me voit maintenant avec deux secondes de retard.
Post by Thomas Heger
This is regarded as an error and the own clocks as being ahead, hence it
was turned back to 12 o'clock plus zero seconds.
This is seen from ship B, where the own clock shows actually 12 o'clock
plus one second. This is corrected by adjustment of one second, by which
that clock is turned backwards.
This could go on forever, while both clocks would stand still.
But certainly this is not what you would call 'synchronization'.
TH
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2024-08-21 06:43:35 UTC
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I take as example two spaceships in 1 lightseconds distance, which are
called A and B.
AB = 1 lightsecond
Post by Thomas Heger
Both have a HUGE clock strapped to that spaceship and use a VERY HUGE
telescope to read the clock of the other ship.
Now clock A shows 12 o'clock and zero seconds.
"Now" for A.
Post by Thomas Heger
Ship B reads this at time 12 o'clock plus 1 second,
Si sa montre est synchronisée en convention Eisntein.
Post by Thomas Heger
but turns the own clock (showing 12 o'clock plus one seconds) back by
one second.
Dans ce cas, B est parfaitement synchronisé sur A, c'est à dire que B
"vit" exactement dans la
même simultanéité que A, dans le même instant présent que B.
No, this is WRONG!



if you do not add the delay, your visions of remote events are not a
representation of events at the same time.

You simply cannot take an event seen in, say, 1 million light years
distance as happening now.

Instead you should subtract the delay (1 million years in this case) and
say, that this events happend 1 million years ago (not!!! now).

The same problem occurs also in much smaller distances, say between
Earth and Moon.

Earth and Moon are a particular good choice, because they are roughly
one light-second apart.

Now we can simply assume two stations, one on Earth and one on the Moon,
which try to synchronize clocks.

Those would not use Einstein's method, because that is not mutually
symmetric.

Instead you would 'ping' the remote station, measure the dealy and add
half of the value to the time transmitted with a coded timing signal.


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Mikko
2024-08-20 11:00:41 UTC
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Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other at
a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the same rate."
NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the time they display;
the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of these clocks by applying a
correction after a calculation involving the values indicated on these
clocks during specific events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF
EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure but a
method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main difference
from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that Poincaré’s
method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense. You can also
transform Einstein’s verification method into a synchronization
procedure because it allows calculating the correction to apply to
clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light
signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you
would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
Note that in Einstein's text the definition of synchronity (page 894)
does not use AB. Lower on the same page AB has an overbar.
Post by Thomas Heger
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually be
the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
A nad B are not position vectors, they are positions. Postions are not
vectors. AB with overbar is the standard notation for the distance btween
positions A and B.
Post by Thomas Heger
Besides of this little formal issue (actually meant was |r_AB| ),
Einstein had not written AB/c (or r_AB/c).
Einstain also used r_AB, whith an explicit definition of its meaning.
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Mikko
Thomas Heger
2024-08-21 06:49:08 UTC
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Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you
synchronize clock B with clock A, this must come to the same
result, as if you would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
Note that in Einstein's text the definition of synchronity (page 894)
does not use AB. Lower on the same page AB has an overbar.
Post by Thomas Heger
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually
be the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
A nad B are not position vectors, they are positions. Postions are not
vectors. AB with overbar is the standard notation for the distance btween
positions A and B.
In my version there were no overbars.

But the actual positions cannot be used in equations anyhow, because
real material objects cannot be used in equations of any kind.

It is just rediculus to regard the points themselves as part of an equation.
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Mikko
2024-08-22 07:50:22 UTC
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Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you
would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
Note that in Einstein's text the definition of synchronity (page 894)
does not use AB. Lower on the same page AB has an overbar.
Post by Thomas Heger
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually be
the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
A nad B are not position vectors, they are positions. Postions are not
vectors. AB with overbar is the standard notation for the distance btween
positions A and B.
In my version there were no overbars.
Your version is irrelevant. Einstein used overbar. But the equation that
is relevant to the current discussion does not use AB at all.
Post by Thomas Heger
But the actual positions cannot be used in equations anyhow, because
real material objects cannot be used in equations of any kind.
Position is not a real material object.
Post by Thomas Heger
It is just rediculus to regard the points themselves as part of an equation.
It is common to use the same word for the symbol and the thing denoted
by the symbol. For example the word "Thomas" is can refer to the name
"Thomas" itself.
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2024-08-23 06:09:09 UTC
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Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you
synchronize clock B with clock A, this must come to the same
result, as if you would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
Note that in Einstein's text the definition of synchronity (page 894)
does not use AB. Lower on the same page AB has an overbar.
Post by Thomas Heger
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually
be the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
A nad B are not position vectors, they are positions. Postions are not
vectors. AB with overbar is the standard notation for the distance btween
positions A and B.
In my version there were no overbars.
Your version is irrelevant. Einstein used overbar. But the equation that
is relevant to the current discussion does not use AB at all.
Well, in a way you have the right to complain, because I have not used
the German original for my annotations, but a certain English translation.

This text alone was my topic, without considerations, who had actually
written it.

This setting was used, because I wanted to separate the text and allow
to analyse the content of this text alone.

This was a necessary step, becaause I wanted to apply a certain method.

I wanted to find ALL errors in this text, but only in THIS text.

To do this I 'serialised' its content and separated all single statements.

Any statement has some content and declares a certain relation between
some kind of prerequisites and some conclusion.

A simple statement would be ' 1 + 1 =2 '.

Now this is an overly simple example to explain what I wanted:

I wanted to identify each statement and search for everything, which
could eventually be meant to define the content and the used axioms or
some other requirements.

Now theoretical physics is somehow similar to mathematics and physical
proof similar to a mathematical proof.

In math a single statement in a proof is assumed to be based on previous
ones or axioms. And every single statement had to be correct.

Now I searched for statements and the possible definitions used parts in
of this statement.

Then I discussed the validity of such a statement.

In math this process is over, once an error is encountered.

But I wanted to find ALL errors, hence continued after errors with the
next statement, tried to identify, what the author had in mind and
pieced the statement together. Than I could start to discuss its validity.

By this method I found well over four-hundred errors.

All of these 'errors' are in fact my own statements, hence are possibly
wrong themselves.

But I was quite careful and spent a lot of time on this subject, hence
the chances are low, that you could find any errors in my own statements.

Now, ALL 'errors' belong to a certain text, which is this particular
English translation alone.

I have spent some time with the German version, but my comments are
almost exclusively about the used translation.

And that translation does not contain overbars.
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Post by Thomas Heger
But the actual positions cannot be used in equations anyhow, because
real material objects cannot be used in equations of any kind.
Position is not a real material object.
Well, yes and no...

A position vector like (1,2,3) is a mathematical object, while the point
itself is not.

Now it would be better to distinguish between different types of objects
(here: points and positions of points), but physicists have the odd
habbit of doing something odd, like using 'material points' and that in
equations.
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Post by Thomas Heger
It is just rediculus to regard the points themselves as part of an equation.
It is common to use the same word for the symbol and the thing denoted
by the symbol. For example the word "Thomas" is can refer to the name
"Thomas" itself.
Sure, my name is 'Thomas', but I'm not a name.

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Athel Cornish-Bowden
2024-08-23 07:47:45 UTC
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Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you
would synchronize clock A with clock B.
It is.
No, it is not!
It is. It is explained in my initial post : What is (AB)/c to you?
Note that in Einstein's text the definition of synchronity (page 894)
does not use AB. Lower on the same page AB has an overbar.
Post by Thomas Heger
distance from A to B,
even if A and B are in fact position vectors, hence AB would usually be
the scalar product of A and B (what is absurd).
A nad B are not position vectors, they are positions. Postions are not
vectors. AB with overbar is the standard notation for the distance btween
positions A and B.
In my version there were no overbars.
Your version is irrelevant. Einstein used overbar. But the equation that
is relevant to the current discussion does not use AB at all.
Well, in a way you have the right to complain, because I have not used
the German original for my annotations, but a certain English
translation.
Not just "in a way". You have consistently said "Einstein" when you
mean someone else. Some might call that lying, especially coming from
someone able to read German.
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This text alone was my topic, without considerations, who had actually
written it.
This setting was used, because I wanted to separate the text and allow
to analyse the content of this text alone.
This was a necessary step, becaause I wanted to apply a certain method.
I wanted to find ALL errors in this text, but only in THIS text.
To do this I 'serialised' its content and separated all single statements.
Any statement has some content and declares a certain relation between
some kind of prerequisites and some conclusion.
A simple statement would be ' 1 + 1 =2 '.
I wanted to identify each statement and search for everything, which
could eventually be meant to define the content and the used axioms or
some other requirements.
Now theoretical physics is somehow similar to mathematics and physical
proof similar to a mathematical proof.
In math a single statement in a proof is assumed to be based on
previous ones or axioms. And every single statement had to be correct.
Now I searched for statements and the possible definitions used parts
in of this statement.
Then I discussed the validity of such a statement.
In math this process is over, once an error is encountered.
But I wanted to find ALL errors, hence continued after errors with the
next statement, tried to identify, what the author had in mind and
pieced the statement together. Than I could start to discuss its validity.
By this method I found well over four-hundred errors.
All of these 'errors' are in fact my own statements, hence are possibly
wrong themselves.
But I was quite careful and spent a lot of time on this subject, hence
the chances are low, that you could find any errors in my own
statements.
Now, ALL 'errors' belong to a certain text, which is this particular
English translation alone.
I have spent some time with the German version, but my comments are
almost exclusively about the used translation.
And that translation does not contain overbars.
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Post by Thomas Heger
But the actual positions cannot be used in equations anyhow, because
real material objects cannot be used in equations of any kind.
Position is not a real material object.
Well, yes and no...
A position vector like (1,2,3) is a mathematical object, while the
point itself is not.
Now it would be better to distinguish between different types of
objects (here: points and positions of points), but physicists have the
odd habbit of doing something odd, like using 'material points' and
that in equations.
Post by Mikko
Post by Thomas Heger
It is just rediculus to regard the points themselves as part of an equation.
It is common to use the same word for the symbol and the thing denoted
by the symbol. For example the word "Thomas" is can refer to the name
"Thomas" itself.
Sure, my name is 'Thomas', but I'm not a name.
TH
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in England until 1987.
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There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted as
delay calculation.
As I've shown there is. A single step from the provided equations
leads to t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
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x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c
Extremely simple, isn't it?
Extremely stupid insteed x=c*t is not generally true. x/c is
not at all the delay your asking for. (AB)/c is such a delay.
Einstein defined two coordinate systems (K and k).

System k was placed with its center upon the axis of x of system K.

So the value 'x' is a coordinate in respect to system K with distance
|x| to system K's center.

Now I use this setting and place A in the center of K and B in the
center of k.

So: the distance from A to B is x.

Well, yes, this was a little bad, because I had to explain it in the
first place, before I could use this setting.

I would agree, that another variable name for distance would have been
better.

How about 'd'?

(d for distance)

So d = 'distance from A to B'.
then:
delay(A->B) = d/c
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Now you need to measure this delay, because you cannot measure
distance x with rods (at least in cosmology).
If rods are not practical, then use another method.
The point of synchronizing clocks is practically about clocks involved
in a single experiment in a single laboratory by the way, not
cosmological distances.
'empty space' and 'inertial motion' are not really possible upon Earth'
surface.

Therefore, the 'environment' of SRT is usually something very remote
from any other celestial object, in the far ends of the universe.

'In one single lab' isn't even remotely what SRT is about.

But smallness isn't actually an issue here, because it makes no
difference in principle, if you place two floating spaceships into a
distance of 1 lightyear or 1 nano-light-second.

What disturbs the measurements is actually air and gravity.
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But where have you found such a calculation in Einstein's text???
Distance (AB) is assumed to be known.
Post by Thomas Heger
And where have you found any use of the value for delay?
From both equation provided by A.E. I can derive t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
i.e. t'_A = t_B - "delay"
https://ia601704.us.archive.org/23/items/einstein-1905-relativity/Einstein_1905_relativity.pdf

Einstein had a slightly different equation.

But he used it not as calculation of delay, but as definition of the
speed of light.

(§1, page 3, last paragraph)
quote

"In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity
2AB/(t′_A − t_A)= c,
to be a universal constant—the velocity of light in empty space."

What you apparently quoted was on page 5 first paragraph.

But this didn't contain 'c' but 'c-v' in the denominator and was also
meant for some other situation.

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2024-08-20 06:39:32 UTC
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There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted as
delay calculation.
As I've shown there is. A single step from the provided equations
leads to t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
Post by Thomas Heger
x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c
Extremely simple, isn't it?
Extremely stupid insteed x=c*t is not generally true. x/c is
not at all the delay your asking for. (AB)/c is such a delay.
Einstein defined two coordinate systems (K and k).
System k was placed with its center upon the axis of x of system K.
So the value 'x' is a coordinate in respect to system K  with distance
|x| to system K's center.
Now I use this setting and place A in the center of K and B in the
center of k.
So: the distance from A to B is x.
Well, yes, this was a little bad, because I had to explain it in the
first place, before I could use this setting.
What you "explain" is, again, something you made up out of nothing.

Systems K and k are even defined yet in paragraph 2.

It makes basically no sense to put the center of K at A and the
center of k at B. K and k are in relative motion while clock-A
and clock-B are mutually at rest. So your "setting" is setting
v to 0.
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I would agree, that another variable name for distance would have been
better.
How about 'd'?
(d for distance)
AB is good enough for everyone.
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So d = 'distance from A to B'.
 delay(A->B) = d/c
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Now you need to measure this delay, because you cannot measure
distance x with rods (at least in cosmology).
If rods are not practical, then use another method.
The point of synchronizing clocks is practically about clocks involved
in a single experiment in a single laboratory by the way, not
cosmological distances.
'empty space' and 'inertial motion' are not really possible upon Earth'
surface.
Therefore, the 'environment' of SRT is usually something very remote
from any other celestial object, in the far ends of the universe.
'In one single lab' isn't even remotely what SRT is about.
It definitely IS. There are a lot of situations where the concept of
"inertial frame" is good enough, even on Earth. Ask CERN.
Post by Thomas Heger
But smallness isn't actually an issue here, because it makes no
difference in principle, if you place two floating spaceships into a
distance of 1 lightyear or 1 nano-light-second.
What disturbs the measurements is actually air and gravity.
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But where have you found such a calculation in Einstein's text???
Distance (AB) is assumed to be known.
Post by Thomas Heger
And where have you found any use of the value for delay?
 From both equation provided by A.E. I can derive t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
i.e. t'_A = t_B - "delay"
https://ia601704.us.archive.org/23/items/einstein-1905-relativity/Einstein_1905_relativity.pdf
Einstein had a slightly different equation.
It has TWO equations (paragraph 2) from which you can derive
t'_A = t_B - "delay" in a very small number of steps.

Your lacking of mastering elementary algebra is showing Thomas.
Post by Thomas Heger
But he used it not as calculation of delay, but as definition of the
speed of light.
(§1, page 3, last paragraph)
quote
"In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity
2AB/(t′_A − t_A)= c,
to be a universal constant—the velocity of light in empty space."
Yes, he is referring to a consequence of what he wrote in paragraph 2.
Post by Thomas Heger
What you apparently quoted was on page 5 first paragraph.
Not at all. What I wrote is a two-steps consequence of what is written
on page 3.
Post by Thomas Heger
But this didn't contain 'c' but 'c-v' in the denominator and was also
meant for some other situation.
It is. You level of imbecility is AMAZING Thomas.

Or is it hypocrisy (it would be better, you know...) ?
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There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted as
delay calculation.
As I've shown there is. A single step from the provided equations
leads to t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
Post by Thomas Heger
x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c
Extremely simple, isn't it?
Extremely stupid insteed x=c*t is not generally true. x/c is
not at all the delay your asking for. (AB)/c is such a delay.
Einstein defined two coordinate systems (K and k).
System k was placed with its center upon the axis of x of system K.
So the value 'x' is a coordinate in respect to system K  with distance
|x| to system K's center.
Now I use this setting and place A in the center of K and B in the
center of k.
So: the distance from A to B is x.
Well, yes, this was a little bad, because I had to explain it in the
first place, before I could use this setting.
What you "explain" is, again, something you made up out of nothing.
Systems K and k are even defined yet in paragraph 2.
It makes basically no sense to put the center of K at A and the
center of k at B. K and k are in relative motion while clock-A
and clock-B are mutually at rest. So your "setting" is setting
v to 0.
Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.

You really don't understand A SINGLE SENTENCE in Einstein's paper,
NOT A SINGLE ONE. This is pathetic.
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I would agree, that another variable name for distance would have been
better.
How about 'd'?
(d for distance)
AB is good enough for everyone.
Post by Thomas Heger
So d = 'distance from A to B'.
  delay(A->B) = d/c
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Now you need to measure this delay, because you cannot measure
distance x with rods (at least in cosmology).
If rods are not practical, then use another method.
The point of synchronizing clocks is practically about clocks involved
in a single experiment in a single laboratory by the way, not
cosmological distances.
'empty space' and 'inertial motion' are not really possible upon
Earth' surface.
Therefore, the 'environment' of SRT is usually something very remote
from any other celestial object, in the far ends of the universe.
'In one single lab' isn't even remotely what SRT is about.
It definitely IS. There are a lot of situations where the concept of
"inertial frame" is good enough, even on Earth. Ask CERN.
Post by Thomas Heger
But smallness isn't actually an issue here, because it makes no
difference in principle, if you place two floating spaceships into a
distance of 1 lightyear or 1 nano-light-second.
What disturbs the measurements is actually air and gravity.
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But where have you found such a calculation in Einstein's text???
Distance (AB) is assumed to be known.
Post by Thomas Heger
And where have you found any use of the value for delay?
 From both equation provided by A.E. I can derive t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
i.e. t'_A = t_B - "delay"
https://ia601704.us.archive.org/23/items/einstein-1905-relativity/Einstein_1905_relativity.pdf
Einstein had a slightly different equation.
It has TWO equations (paragraph 2) from which you can derive
t'_A = t_B - "delay" in a very small number of steps.
Your lacking of mastering elementary algebra is showing Thomas.
Post by Thomas Heger
But he used it not as calculation of delay, but as definition of the
speed of light.
(§1, page 3, last paragraph)
quote
"In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity
2AB/(t′_A − t_A)= c,
to be a universal constant—the velocity of light in empty space."
Yes, he is referring to a consequence of what he wrote in paragraph 2.
Post by Thomas Heger
What you apparently quoted was on page 5 first paragraph.
Not at all. What I wrote is a two-steps consequence of what is written
on page 3.
Post by Thomas Heger
But this didn't contain 'c' but 'c-v' in the denominator and was also
meant for some other situation.
It is. You level of imbecility is AMAZING Thomas.
Or is it hypocrisy (it would be better, you know...) ?
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2024-08-21 06:30:08 UTC
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There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted as
delay calculation.
As I've shown there is. A single step from the provided equations
leads to t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
Post by Thomas Heger
x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c
Extremely simple, isn't it?
Extremely stupid insteed x=c*t is not generally true. x/c is
not at all the delay your asking for. (AB)/c is such a delay.
Einstein defined two coordinate systems (K and k).
System k was placed with its center upon the axis of x of system K.
So the value 'x' is a coordinate in respect to system K  with
distance |x| to system K's center.
Now I use this setting and place A in the center of K and B in the
center of k.
So: the distance from A to B is x.
Well, yes, this was a little bad, because I had to explain it in the
first place, before I could use this setting.
What you "explain" is, again, something you made up out of nothing.
Systems K and k are even defined yet in paragraph 2.
It makes basically no sense to put the center of K at A and the
center of k at B. K and k are in relative motion while clock-A
and clock-B are mutually at rest. So your "setting" is setting
v to 0.
Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from the
center of K to a point on the x-axis.

Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the
center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.

But, of course, your critique is valid and you should not use generic
variables for special purposes.

Therefore I made already the proposal to call the distance from A to B 'd'.


BTW: x was not meant as coordinate of an event, because system K and k
were defined as Euclidian coordinate systems.

Such a coordinate system does not contain time in any way, hence cannot
address events.

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TH
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There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted
as delay calculation.
As I've shown there is. A single step from the provided equations
leads to t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
Post by Thomas Heger
x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c
Extremely simple, isn't it?
Extremely stupid insteed x=c*t is not generally true. x/c is
not at all the delay your asking for. (AB)/c is such a delay.
Einstein defined two coordinate systems (K and k).
System k was placed with its center upon the axis of x of system K.
So the value 'x' is a coordinate in respect to system K  with
distance |x| to system K's center.
Now I use this setting and place A in the center of K and B in the
center of k.
So: the distance from A to B is x.
Well, yes, this was a little bad, because I had to explain it in the
first place, before I could use this setting.
What you "explain" is, again, something you made up out of nothing.
Systems K and k are even defined yet in paragraph 2.
It makes basically no sense to put the center of K at A and the
center of k at B. K and k are in relative motion while clock-A
and clock-B are mutually at rest. So your "setting" is setting
v to 0.
Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from the
center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the
center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Post by Thomas Heger
But, of course, your critique is valid and you should not use generic
variables for special purposes.
Therefore I made already the proposal to call the distance from A to B 'd'.
AB, (AB) or \overbar(AB) make the job for every one but you.
Post by Thomas Heger
BTW: x was not meant as coordinate of an event, because system K and k
were defined as Euclidian coordinate systems.
Such a coordinate system does not contain time in any way, hence cannot
address events.
k and K are defined as 4-D dimensional systems with coordinates
x, y, z, t and epsilon, nu, eta, tau. BOTH include a time coordinate
so BOTH are representing EVENTS.

"does not contain time in any way" ? How can you be so clueless ??? Or
is it deliberates lies ???
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2024-08-22 06:51:06 UTC
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from the
center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the
center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire paper,
unless stated otherwise.

If an author defines some variable or other setting and later 'foregets'
this definition, all older settings remain valid.

What you apparently want is simply inexaptable:
you want the reader to find out, which definition is valid at a certain
position of the text and which one already expired.

The author needs to stick to a certain setting, because otherwise a
reader could not jump backwards with reading in a paper, if the setting
changes.
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But, of course, your critique is valid and you should not use generic
variables for special purposes.
Therefore I made already the proposal to call the distance from A to B 'd'.
AB, (AB) or \overbar(AB) make the job for every one but you.
Post by Thomas Heger
BTW: x was not meant as coordinate of an event, because system K and k
were defined as Euclidian coordinate systems.
Such a coordinate system does not contain time in any way, hence
cannot address events.
k and K are defined as 4-D dimensional systems with coordinates
x, y, z, t and epsilon, nu, eta, tau. BOTH include a time coordinate
so BOTH are representing EVENTS.
Actually 'coordinate systems' were mentionend and only the axes x, y and
z in K and xsi, eta and zeta in k.

These cordinate systems should be Euclidean, because Einstein wrote so.

These coordinate systems were combined with a time measure t or tau,
which would be kind of 4-dimensional, if you count 3 + 1.

But time isn't a spatial dimension, hence '4D' is rather misleading.
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TH
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from the
center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in
the center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire paper,
unless stated otherwise.
Part I.1 is in no way supposed to refer to definitions stated in
part I.3.
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If an author defines some variable or other setting and later 'foregets'
this definition, all older settings remain valid.
And definitely NOT a definition of k/K that is stated LATER, moreover
neither K nor k are mentions in part I.1.
Post by Thomas Heger
you want the reader to find out, which definition is valid at a certain
position of the text and which one already expired.
What I want is perfectly acceptable: that the reader has a functional
brain.
Post by Thomas Heger
The author needs to stick to a certain setting, because otherwise a
reader could not jump backwards with reading in a paper, if the setting
changes.
It is not needed here, neither backwards nor forwards.
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But, of course, your critique is valid and you should not use generic
variables for special purposes.
Therefore I made already the proposal to call the distance from A to B 'd'.
AB, (AB) or \overbar(AB) make the job for every one but you.
Post by Thomas Heger
BTW: x was not meant as coordinate of an event, because system K and
k were defined as Euclidian coordinate systems.
Such a coordinate system does not contain time in any way, hence
cannot address events.
k and K are defined as 4-D dimensional systems with coordinates
x, y, z, t and epsilon, nu, eta, tau. BOTH include a time coordinate
so BOTH are representing EVENTS.
Actually 'coordinate systems' were mentionend and only the axes x, y and
z in K and xsi, eta and zeta in k.
This is factually wrong. Part I.3 :

" To any system of values x, y, z, t, which completely defines the place
and time of an event in the stationary system [K], there belongs a
system of values $\xi$, $\eta$, $\zeta$, $\tau$, determining that
event relatively to the system k, and our task is now to find the
system of equations connecting these quantities. "
Post by Thomas Heger
These cordinate systems should be Euclidean, because Einstein wrote so.
The only time "euclidean" appears in the article is in paragraph I.1.
and it is about the first three coordinates in a system of co-ordinates
that has four coordinates.
Post by Thomas Heger
These coordinate systems were combined with a time measure t or tau,
which would be kind of 4-dimensional, if you count 3 + 1.
But time isn't a spatial dimension, hence '4D' is rather misleading.
It is not. Dimensions, in math or physics, are not limited to space
coordinates. They often cover also time, speeds, forces, heat, etc.
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2024-08-23 06:27:37 UTC
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from
the center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in
the center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire paper,
unless stated otherwise.
Part I.1 is in no way supposed to refer to definitions stated in
part I.3.
Sure, but fortunately I have not written anything like this.

I wrote, that defintions for §1.1 remain valind in §1.3, unless the
author states otherwise.
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If an author defines some variable or other setting and later
'foregets' this definition, all older settings remain valid.
And definitely NOT a definition of k/K that is stated LATER, moreover
neither K nor k are mentions in part I.1.
Sure, but apparently you wanted to discuss a certain equation form part
1.3 on page 3.

That was LATER than the introduction of K and k.
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you want the reader to find out, which definition is valid at a
certain position of the text and which one already expired.
What I want is perfectly acceptable: that the reader has a functional
brain.
It is a VERY bad idea, to 'fill the blancs' in a scientific text,
because it would invite to see, what simply isn't there.
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The author needs to stick to a certain setting, because otherwise a
reader could not jump backwards with reading in a paper, if the
setting changes.
It is not needed here, neither backwards nor forwards.
Sure, you need to skip backwards, if you encounter a statement and
simply forgot, what a certain symbol means.

In Einstein's case, this was often necessary, because Einstein used very
strange naming conventions.

A very simple example would be the symbols for the four used coordinate
systems: K, k, K' and k'.

It is very difficult, to identify the intended meaning from the names
alone, hence one need to remember, what some variable should express.

Since Einstein had also the odd habit to reuse variable names, it would
require also attempts to remember the validity realm of each variable
name and which interpretation is valid in which contxt.


This is simply unacceptable.

TH



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2024-08-23 11:58:07 UTC
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from the
center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the
center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire paper,
unless stated otherwise.
Part I.1 is in no way supposed to refer to definitions stated in
part I.3.
Sure, but fortunately I have not written anything like this.
I wrote, that defintions for §1.1 remain valind in §1.3, unless the
author states otherwise.
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If an author defines some variable or other setting and later
'foregets' this definition, all older settings remain valid.
And definitely NOT a definition of k/K that is stated LATER, moreover
neither K nor k are mentions in part I.1.
Sure, but apparently you wanted to discuss a certain equation form part
1.3 on page 3.
That was LATER than the introduction of K and k.
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you want the reader to find out, which definition is valid at a certain
position of the text and which one already expired.
What I want is perfectly acceptable: that the reader has a functional
brain.
It is a VERY bad idea, to 'fill the blancs' in a scientific text,
because it would invite to see, what simply isn't there.
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The author needs to stick to a certain setting, because otherwise a
reader could not jump backwards with reading in a paper, if the setting
changes.
It is not needed here, neither backwards nor forwards.
Sure, you need to skip backwards, if you encounter a statement and
simply forgot, what a certain symbol means.
In Einstein's case, this was often necessary, because Einstein used
very strange naming conventions.
A very simple example would be the symbols for the four used coordinate
systems: K, k, K' and k'.
These symbols are easy to remember: all are variants of K, which is
the first letter of Koordinaten-system. The only difference is that
K denotes the coordinate system K, k denotes the coordinate system k,
K' denotes the coordinate syste K', and k' denotes the coordinate
system k'. All coordinate systems are intertial, and much else is
not said about them so needn'd be remembered.
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In Einstein's case, this was often necessary, because Einstein used
very strange naming conventions.
A very simple example would be the symbols for the four used coordinate
systems: K, k, K' and k'.
These symbols are easy to remember: all are variants of K, which is
the first letter of Koordinaten-system. The only difference is that
K denotes the coordinate system K, k denotes the coordinate system k,
K' denotes the coordinate syste K', and k' denotes the coordinate
system k'. All coordinate systems are intertial, and much else is
not said about them so needn'd be remembered.
Well, but no.
a) small and large letters
b) primed and not primed letters
Now 'small' means 'moving' (of k along the x-axis of K)
Of those that are used at the same time, everyone is moving relative
to every other.
But 'primed' means what????
Nothing by itself. It is used to create a symbol that is different
but not too different from an earlier symbol.
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In Einstein's case, this was often necessary, because Einstein used
very strange naming conventions.
A very simple example would be the symbols for the four used
coordinate systems: K, k, K' and k'.
These symbols are easy to remember: all are variants of K, which is
the first letter of Koordinaten-system. The only difference is that
K denotes the coordinate system K, k denotes the coordinate system k,
K' denotes the coordinate syste K', and k' denotes the coordinate
system k'. All coordinate systems are intertial, and much else is
not said about them so needn'd be remembered.
Well, but no.
a) small and large letters
b) primed and not primed letters
Now 'small' means 'moving' (of k along the x-axis of K)
Of those that are used at the same time, everyone is moving relative
to every other.
But 'primed' means what????
Nothing by itself. It is used to create a symbol that is different
but not too different from an earlier symbol.
Yes, but I have critized this, because any symbol used should have a
meaning.

So ' should have a meaning of some sort and the author should stick to
that meaning, because otherwise is get's really annyoing to read such a
paper.

It would actually be nice, if an author would also tell the reader, what
interpretation of a symbol was intended.

But many readers are able to find out on their own, what an author
eventually meant.

But even such readers could get really frustrated, if the symbol alters
it's meaning within a longish text.

TH
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In Einstein's case, this was often necessary, because Einstein used
very strange naming conventions.
A very simple example would be the symbols for the four used coordinate
systems: K, k, K' and k'.
These symbols are easy to remember: all are variants of K, which is
the first letter of Koordinaten-system. The only difference is that
K denotes the coordinate system K, k denotes the coordinate system k,
K' denotes the coordinate syste K', and k' denotes the coordinate
system k'. All coordinate systems are intertial, and much else is
not said about them so needn'd be remembered.
Well, but no.
a) small and large letters
b) primed and not primed letters
Now 'small' means 'moving' (of k along the x-axis of K)
Of those that are used at the same time, everyone is moving relative
to every other.
But 'primed' means what????
Nothing by itself. It is used to create a symbol that is different
but not too different from an earlier symbol.
Yes, but I have critized this, because any symbol used should have a meaning.
The meaning "yet another coordinate system" is a meaning.
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from
the center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in
the center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire paper,
unless stated otherwise.
Part I.1 is in no way supposed to refer to definitions stated in
part I.3.
Sure, but fortunately I have not written anything like this.
I wrote, that defintions for §1.1 remain valind in §1.3, unless the
author states otherwise.
But not the other way around. Nothing defined in §1.3 (like k or K)
is involved in §1.2.
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If an author defines some variable or other setting and later
'foregets' this definition, all older settings remain valid.
And definitely NOT a definition of k/K that is stated LATER, moreover
neither K nor k are mentions in part I.1.
Sure, but apparently you wanted to discuss a certain equation form part
1.3 on page 3.
Absolutely NOT. I was CLEARLY talking about §1.1. and §1.1 alone.

Are you that stupid, hypocrite or both?
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That was LATER than the introduction of K and k.
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you want the reader to find out, which definition is valid at a
certain position of the text and which one already expired.
What I want is perfectly acceptable: that the reader has a functional
brain.
It is a VERY bad idea, to 'fill the blancs' in a scientific text,
because it would invite to see, what simply isn't there.
It is a VERY good idea to use its brain, as long as it is functioning
of course. Yours is NOT.
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[snip more idiocies]
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from
the center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in
the center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire paper,
unless stated otherwise.
Part I.1 is in no way supposed to refer to definitions stated in
part I.3.
Sure, but fortunately I have not written anything like this.
I wrote, that defintions for §1.1 remain valind in §1.3, unless the
author states otherwise.
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If an author defines some variable or other setting and later
'foregets' this definition, all older settings remain valid.
And definitely NOT a definition of k/K that is stated LATER, moreover
neither K nor k are mentions in part I.1.
Sure, but apparently you wanted to discuss a certain equation form part
1.3 on page 3.
That was LATER than the introduction of K and k.
SORRY!

This was wrong.

Me culpa!

page 3 belongs to §1.1. and not to § 1.3.

§ 1.1 had not used two different coordinate systems in relative motion.
Those were intruduced in the next chapter § 1.2.

(Sorry, but I make errors, too.)


In § 1.1. we have a different setting:

assumed is a single coordinate system, where Newton's equations are
valid and an euclidan space, in which that coordinate system is stationary.


This setting is slightly different to the ones in the subsequent chapters.

In fact Einstein assumed here some forcefree 'flat' Euclidean space, in
which one single coordinate system would be considered.

This setting is more or less motionless, hence different to the setting
in the following chapters.

I personally had sorted the mentioned variables in a certain way, which
was actually different than Einstein's.

For me such a single coordinate system in a forcefree euclidean space
would allow only one single time measure, which is valid troughout this
entire coordinate system.

Clocks could not be synchronised by light signals, however, because
light needs time to travel.

To maintain the same time measure throughout that coordinate system,
each remote clock needs to measure the transit delay and add that to a
received timing signal, which would be sent out by kind of master clock
in the center of the coordinate system.

But this was NOT, what Einstein had in mind.

Instead Einstein wanted to ignore the delay and turn the remote clocks
to the received content of the timing signal (without compensation of
the delay).
TH
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from
the center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in
the center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire paper,
unless stated otherwise.
Part I.1 is in no way supposed to refer to definitions stated in
part I.3.
Sure, but fortunately I have not written anything like this.
I wrote, that defintions for §1.1 remain valind in §1.3, unless the
author states otherwise.
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If an author defines some variable or other setting and later
'foregets' this definition, all older settings remain valid.
And definitely NOT a definition of k/K that is stated LATER, moreover
neither K nor k are mentions in part I.1.
Sure, but apparently you wanted to discuss a certain equation form
part 1.3 on page 3.
That was LATER than the introduction of K and k.
SORRY!
This was wrong.
Me culpa!
page 3 belongs to §1.1. and not to § 1.3.
§ 1.1 had not used two different coordinate systems in relative motion.
Those were intruduced in the next chapter § 1.2.
(Sorry, but I make errors, too.)
Good to hear. Now you may consider that you've made a LOT of errors.
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assumed is a single coordinate system, where Newton's equations are
valid and an euclidan space, in which that coordinate system is stationary.
This setting is slightly different to the ones in the subsequent chapters.
This setting is what allows to make sense of sytems k, K, etc. later.
Post by Thomas Heger
In fact Einstein assumed here some forcefree 'flat' Euclidean space, in
which one single coordinate system would be considered.
This setting is more or less motionless, hence different to the setting
in the following chapters.
Nothing prevent considering several coordinate systems of the same kind,
in relative motion wrt each others. This is actually what he's doing
there.
Post by Thomas Heger
I personally had sorted the mentioned variables in a certain way, which
was actually different than Einstein's.
Again adding stuff that is asinine and unrelated to what Einstein
actually wrote?
Post by Thomas Heger
For me such a single coordinate system in a forcefree euclidean space
would allow only one single time measure, which is valid troughout this
entire coordinate system.
This is basically ok.
Post by Thomas Heger
Clocks could not be synchronised by light signals, however, because
light needs time to travel.
Einstein (following Poincaré's work) showed that it can be done, taking
propagation time into account.
Post by Thomas Heger
To maintain the same time measure throughout that coordinate system,
each remote clock needs to measure the transit delay and add that to a
received timing signal, which would be sent out by kind of master clock
in the center of the coordinate system.
But this was NOT, what Einstein had in mind.
What is right is that you do not need a "master clock", as you can
synchronized every pair of clocks separately. You can also pick
one clock as the "master clock" and synchronize every other clock
against it, using the same method. This is practically how it is
done in real lab experiments.
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Instead Einstein wanted to ignore the delay and turn the remote clocks
to the received content of the timing signal (without compensation of
the delay).
Eistein didn't want to ignore the delay, quite the opposite: he coined
up a way to embedded this delay into the convention stated by
t'_A - t_B = t_B - t_A.
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance from
the center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B
in the center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire
paper, unless stated otherwise.
Part I.1 is in no way supposed to refer to definitions stated in
part I.3.
Sure, but fortunately I have not written anything like this.
I wrote, that defintions for §1.1 remain valind in §1.3, unless the
author states otherwise.
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If an author defines some variable or other setting and later
'foregets' this definition, all older settings remain valid.
And definitely NOT a definition of k/K that is stated LATER, moreover
neither K nor k are mentions in part I.1.
Sure, but apparently you wanted to discuss a certain equation form
part 1.3 on page 3.
That was LATER than the introduction of K and k.
SORRY!
This was wrong.
Me culpa!
page 3 belongs to §1.1. and not to § 1.3.
§ 1.1 had not used two different coordinate systems in relative
motion. Those were intruduced in the next chapter § 1.2.
(Sorry, but I make errors, too.)
Good to hear. Now you may consider that you've made a LOT of errors.
Post by Thomas Heger
assumed is a single coordinate system, where Newton's equations are
valid and an euclidan space, in which that coordinate system is stationary.
This setting is slightly different to the ones in the subsequent chapters.
This setting is what allows to make sense of sytems k, K, etc. later.
Post by Thomas Heger
In fact Einstein assumed here some forcefree 'flat' Euclidean space,
in which one single coordinate system would be considered.
This setting is more or less motionless, hence different to the
setting in the following chapters.
Nothing prevent considering several coordinate systems of the same kind,
in relative motion wrt each others. This is actually what he's doing
there.
Post by Thomas Heger
I personally had sorted the mentioned variables in a certain way,
which was actually different than Einstein's.
Again adding stuff that is asinine and unrelated to what Einstein
actually wrote?
Post by Thomas Heger
For me such a single coordinate system in a forcefree euclidean space
would allow only one single time measure, which is valid troughout
this entire coordinate system.
This is basically ok.
Post by Thomas Heger
Clocks could not be synchronised by light signals, however, because
light needs time to travel.
Einstein (following Poincaré's work) showed
Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
would be, and he has written it clearly
enough for anyone able to read (even if not
clearly enough for you, poor stinker).
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance
from the center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B
in the center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire
paper, unless stated otherwise.
Part I.1 is in no way supposed to refer to definitions stated in
part I.3.
Sure, but fortunately I have not written anything like this.
I wrote, that defintions for §1.1 remain valind in §1.3, unless the
author states otherwise.
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If an author defines some variable or other setting and later
'foregets' this definition, all older settings remain valid.
And definitely NOT a definition of k/K that is stated LATER, moreover
neither K nor k are mentions in part I.1.
Sure, but apparently you wanted to discuss a certain equation form
part 1.3 on page 3.
That was LATER than the introduction of K and k.
SORRY!
This was wrong.
Me culpa!
page 3 belongs to §1.1. and not to § 1.3.
§ 1.1 had not used two different coordinate systems in relative
motion. Those were intruduced in the next chapter § 1.2.
(Sorry, but I make errors, too.)
Good to hear. Now you may consider that you've made a LOT of errors.
Post by Thomas Heger
assumed is a single coordinate system, where Newton's equations are
valid and an euclidan space, in which that coordinate system is stationary.
This setting is slightly different to the ones in the subsequent chapters.
This setting is what allows to make sense of sytems k, K, etc. later.
Post by Thomas Heger
In fact Einstein assumed here some forcefree 'flat' Euclidean space,
in which one single coordinate system would be considered.
This setting is more or less motionless, hence different to the
setting in the following chapters.
Nothing prevent considering several coordinate systems of the same kind,
in relative motion wrt each others. This is actually what he's doing
there.
Post by Thomas Heger
I personally had sorted the mentioned variables in a certain way,
which was actually different than Einstein's.
Again adding stuff that is asinine and unrelated to what Einstein
actually wrote?
Post by Thomas Heger
For me such a single coordinate system in a forcefree euclidean space
would allow only one single time measure, which is valid troughout
this entire coordinate system.
This is basically ok.
Post by Thomas Heger
Clocks could not be synchronised by light signals, however, because
light needs time to travel.
Einstein (following Poincaré's work) showed
Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
to [idiotic whining]
Whatever (yawn)...

I've just receive this book by the post:

Einstein's clocks and Poincaré's maps
by Peter Galison

https://archive.org/details/einsteinsclocksp00gali
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Addendum : "the distance from A to B is x": this is wrong too.
x is the coordinate of an event in system K, it is not, in
general, the distance between origins of K and k.
'x' is a generic coordinate in system K and means a distance
from the center of K to a point on the x-axis.
Since system k was placed with its center upon the x-axis and B
in the center of k, the distance from A to B would actually be x.
Systems k and K are not even mentioned in part I.2. So "system k was
placed with its center upon the x-axis and B in the center of k"
is a figment of your imagination in no way related to A.E. article.
Wrong, because definitions remain valid throughout the entire
paper, unless stated otherwise.
Part I.1 is in no way supposed to refer to definitions stated in
part I.3.
Sure, but fortunately I have not written anything like this.
I wrote, that defintions for §1.1 remain valind in §1.3, unless the
author states otherwise.
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If an author defines some variable or other setting and later
'foregets' this definition, all older settings remain valid.
And definitely NOT a definition of k/K that is stated LATER, moreover
neither K nor k are mentions in part I.1.
Sure, but apparently you wanted to discuss a certain equation form
part 1.3 on page 3.
That was LATER than the introduction of K and k.
SORRY!
This was wrong.
Me culpa!
page 3 belongs to §1.1. and not to § 1.3.
§ 1.1 had not used two different coordinate systems in relative
motion. Those were intruduced in the next chapter § 1.2.
(Sorry, but I make errors, too.)
Good to hear. Now you may consider that you've made a LOT of errors.
Post by Thomas Heger
assumed is a single coordinate system, where Newton's equations are
valid and an euclidan space, in which that coordinate system is stationary.
This setting is slightly different to the ones in the subsequent chapters.
This setting is what allows to make sense of sytems k, K, etc. later.
Post by Thomas Heger
In fact Einstein assumed here some forcefree 'flat' Euclidean space,
in which one single coordinate system would be considered.
This setting is more or less motionless, hence different to the
setting in the following chapters.
Nothing prevent considering several coordinate systems of the same kind,
in relative motion wrt each others. This is actually what he's doing
there.
Post by Thomas Heger
I personally had sorted the mentioned variables in a certain way,
which was actually different than Einstein's.
Again adding stuff that is asinine and unrelated to what Einstein
actually wrote?
Post by Thomas Heger
For me such a single coordinate system in a forcefree euclidean
space would allow only one single time measure, which is valid
troughout this entire coordinate system.
This is basically ok.
Post by Thomas Heger
Clocks could not be synchronised by light signals, however, because
light needs time to travel.
Einstein (following Poincaré's work) showed
Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
to [idiotic whining]
Whatever (yawn)...
Great for you, but whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
would be, and he has written it clearly
enough for anyone able to read (even if not
clearly enough for you, poor stinker).
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Einstein's clocks and Poincaré's maps
by Peter Galison
https://archive.org/details/einsteinsclocksp00gali
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2024-08-21 06:22:09 UTC
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There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted as
delay calculation.
As I've shown there is. A single step from the provided equations
leads to t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
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x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c
Extremely simple, isn't it?
Extremely stupid insteed x=c*t is not generally true. x/c is
not at all the delay your asking for. (AB)/c is such a delay.
Einstein defined two coordinate systems (K and k).
System k was placed with its center upon the axis of x of system K.
So the value 'x' is a coordinate in respect to system K  with distance
|x| to system K's center.
Now I use this setting and place A in the center of K and B in the
center of k.
So: the distance from A to B is x.
Well, yes, this was a little bad, because I had to explain it in the
first place, before I could use this setting.
What you "explain" is, again, something you made up out of nothing.
Systems K and k are even defined yet in paragraph 2.
It makes basically no sense to put the center of K at A and the
center of k at B. K and k are in relative motion while clock-A
and clock-B are mutually at rest. So your "setting" is setting
v to 0.
What???

A coordinate system can actually be placed anywhere.

Here we have a point 'A' and an observer (also called 'A') and a
coordinates system called 'K'.

The best and most natural setting would be, that you place the
coordinate system with its center at 'A' and also the observer in K there.

Since the coordinate system k is equivalent in function and settings, we
should place 'B' in the center of k.

This is simply the best way to place all the items mentioned into a
useful order.

If you (or Einstein) like something else, this would be allowed, but you
had to say so.
...


TH
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There is also no equation, which could eventually be interpreted as
delay calculation.
As I've shown there is. A single step from the provided equations
leads to t_A = t_B - (AB)/c
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x=c*t => delay (A->B)= x/c
Extremely simple, isn't it?
Extremely stupid insteed x=c*t is not generally true. x/c is
not at all the delay your asking for. (AB)/c is such a delay.
Einstein defined two coordinate systems (K and k).
System k was placed with its center upon the axis of x of system K.
So the value 'x' is a coordinate in respect to system K  with
distance |x| to system K's center.
Now I use this setting and place A in the center of K and B in the
center of k.
So: the distance from A to B is x.
Well, yes, this was a little bad, because I had to explain it in the
first place, before I could use this setting.
What you "explain" is, again, something you made up out of nothing.
Systems K and k are even defined yet in paragraph 2.
It makes basically no sense to put the center of K at A and the
center of k at B. K and k are in relative motion while clock-A
and clock-B are mutually at rest. So your "setting" is setting
v to 0.
What???
A coordinate system can actually be placed anywhere.
Certainly. But putting K/k origins at positions A/B (as they are
defined in part I.2) would lead to v=0 because A and B are mutually
at rest clocks.
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Here we have a point 'A' and an observer (also called 'A') and a
coordinates system called 'K'.
The best and most natural setting would be, that you place the
coordinate system with its center at 'A' and also the observer in K there.
Since the coordinate system k is equivalent in function and settings, we
should place 'B' in the center of k.
This is simply the best way to place all the items mentioned into a
useful order.
If you (or Einstein) like something else, this would be allowed, but you
had to say so.
He didn't say that both clocks are made of Swiss cheese. If Einstein
likes something else, this would be allowed, but he had to say so.

So the article is about clocks made of Swiss cheese.

You are pathetically absurd Thomas.
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2024-08-18 12:22:34 UTC
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**An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
*Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think
you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to
produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability to
pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a perfectly
well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen this
before with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies, like
atomic clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock
infinitely far away in a fourth spatial dimension...
This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure
described by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place 17
years ago and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and
fr.sci.physique.
https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
*Reminders on the Procedure:*
Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other at
a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement
accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the same rate."
NOTHING more is assumed, especially regarding the time they display;
the purpose is PRECISELY to adjust one of these clocks by applying a
correction after a calculation involving the values indicated on these
clocks during specific events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF
EACH CLOCK.
Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure but a
method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main difference
from Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that Poincaré’s
method leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense. You can also
transform Einstein’s verification method into a synchronization
procedure because it allows calculating the correction to apply to
clock A.
*Steps of Einstein's Method:*
When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light
signal is sent from B back towards A.
When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you
would synchronize clock A with clock B.
The method needs not be symmetric. It is sufficient that the result is.
Perhaps a symmetric method would be better in some cases. A possible
symmetric method is to use a signal source that is equally far from
both clocks.

The result of Einstein's method is symmetric in the sense that if A is
synchronized with B then B is synchornized with A.
--
Mikko
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Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you
would synchronize clock A with clock B.
The method needs not be symmetric. It is sufficient that the result is.
Perhaps a symmetric method would be better in some cases. A possible
symmetric method is to use a signal source that is equally far from both
clocks. The result of Einstein's method is symmetric in the sense that
if A is synchronized with B then B is synchornized with A.
amazing you people cant undrestand simple things. You cant have it
synchronized for separate entities displaced in space, hence also in time.
That's the configuration of this world, without which you don't have it,
nor have space nor time.

infact according to my paper
"𝙊𝙣_𝙩𝙝𝙚_𝘿𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙜𝙚𝙣𝙩_𝙈𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧_𝙤𝙛_𝙩𝙝𝙚_𝙈𝙤𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜_𝙆𝙤𝙚𝙧𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨_𝙈𝙤𝙙𝙚𝙡", the space and time are
the mass/particle amplitude probability distribution 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙦𝙪𝙞𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙚𝙨, for time
and space to even exists. In short, 𝙮𝙤𝙪_𝙘𝙖𝙣𝙩_𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚_𝙩𝙞𝙢𝙚_𝙖𝙣𝙙_𝙨𝙥𝙖𝙘𝙚 without my
theory, that in turn, forbids synchronization due the amplitude where its
probability is unevenly distributed.

𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗽𝘂𝘀𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮_𝘁𝗼_𝘂𝘀𝗲_𝗻𝘂𝗰𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿_𝘄𝗲𝗮𝗽𝗼𝗻𝘀_–_𝗕𝗲𝗹𝗮𝗿𝘂𝘀
Kiev may have launched its Kursk incursion to provoke a drastic response
by Moscow, President Alexander Lukashenko believes
https://www.r%74.com/russia/602749-ukraine-pushing-russia-nuclear-weapons/

The nazis in Kiev are not fighting for Ukraine but for the overlord
jewished uSa’s hegemonic rule based order to rule & rob the world. It
stays in their "bible" they shall be 𝙣𝙖𝙯𝙞𝙨_𝙤𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙡𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙨. Thus I find it’d be no
problem if the jew nazis are nuked. Nuking them is to free the world from
the surging nazism in Europe and the hegemonic yoke of the fascist
imperialist jewished uSa.

So you wouldn't level Ukraine because of your Russian ethos that could end
up using nuclear bombs that defeats the point of not leveling Ukraine and
wasting all those lives and tanks. It seems more like incompetence than
concern from the Russian military.

The capitalist West is already sinking toward their own end we don't need
to go with them by using nukes

My knowlege is limited - I only made it to Staff Sargeant in the U.S. Air
Force, but I think Russia should roll over Ukraine like it did the Germans
in WW II. Bring this threat to humanity to an end.

Western people live in a cartoon universe. Nothing is real. I know, I
escaped. I was raised in the heart of Western insanity.

Ukraine troops are marching towards Moscow... still waiting for traitor
Putin to react..

US has planned, equipped and launched Kursk incursion. Not Kiev. Ukraine
doesn't exist since 2014. It's entirely fucking deplorable existence
1992-2014. What a dirt.

If Russia is forced to resort to using nuclear weapons then it must be
remembered that most of these so called Ukrainians are troublemaking fake
Khazarian Jews that truly deserve what is coming their way

𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀_𝗶𝘀_𝗮_𝗪𝗶𝗹𝗱_𝗖𝗼𝗻𝘀𝗽𝗶𝗿𝗮𝗰𝘆_(𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀_𝗶𝘀_𝗮𝘀_𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗱_𝗮𝘀_𝗮𝗻𝘆_𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘀𝗽𝗶𝗿𝗮𝗰𝘆_𝗰𝗮𝗻_𝗴𝗲𝘁)
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Richard Hachel
2024-08-18 13:16:54 UTC
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Post by Thomas Heger
Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods.
Absolutely.

C'est l'un des postulats essentiels de la théorie de la relativité.

Repris encore plus profondément par le docteur Richard Hachel qui est
parvenu à une théorie
à la fois complète, théoriquement mathématique, expérimentalement
jamais démentie.

Que dit-il?

"Les lois de la physique sont les mêmes par changement de référentiel
inertiel, et les effets de cette physique sont réciproques par
permutation d'observateur".

Dans un monde normalement constitué, de telles phrases devraient faire
l'objet d'études, et les équations
qui en ressortent devraient faire l'objet d'intérêt.

Tout le monde crache dessus.

R.H.
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