Discussion:
Important note!!! for the logically impaired or specially daft SRIAN
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-20 12:16:25 UTC
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.

Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.

Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.

The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.

1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
******************************************************************************
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys

Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.

Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.

Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.

I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.

It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.

But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.

How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.

I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.

I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.

JT
Eric Gisse
2009-01-20 12:53:23 UTC
On Jan 20, 3:16 am, ***@hotmail.com wrote:
[snip]

Go back to not posting.
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-20 13:26:37 UTC
Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Go back to not posting.
Why should the bright guys stop posting, while daft punks like Eric
Gisse free to play with their banana dreaming about Einstein.

I guess there is no easy answer to that question either, the only
thing i can come up with is that there is aside from the logical
impairment some kind of mental block programmed into the spacemonkeys
that prevent them from leaving their banana religion without blowing
up.

JT
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-22 14:55:03 UTC
Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Go back to not posting.
How does the calculation come along Eric?

Finished yet?

JT
Eric Gisse
2009-01-22 16:25:43 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Go back to not posting.
How does the calculation come along Eric?
Finished yet?
JT
I see no particular reason why anyone should do anything for you given
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-22 20:54:56 UTC
Post by Eric Gisse
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Go back to not posting.
How does the calculation come along Eric?
Finished yet?
JT
I see no particular reason why anyone should do anything for you given
Honestly onone expected you to do anything more then keep on mumbling
my preeeciousss

JT
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-22 22:39:51 UTC
Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Go back to not posting.
I hope you did not forgot about my little gedanken.

Bitte Eric muahahahahhahh
k***@ken-more.com
2009-01-22 23:15:47 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Go back to not posting.
I hope you did not forgot about my little gedanken.
Bitte Eric muahahahahhahh
JT,
Please do not let those who are playing the "risky game" of
theoretical science with their heads buried in the SR sandbox
discourage you from posting. I only ask that you do not use bad
language when you get discouraged that nobody is listening. There are
many problems with SR, not just the one-way travel time of a light (or
radio) signal from earth to the moon and back. There is also the
celestial (or starlight) aberration problem. There are several
theories about the cause of starlight aberration, Also, there are
several equations for calculating starlight aberration that are based
upon the assumption that this measurable aberration observed from
earth based observatories is caused by the velocity of the earth
moving around the sun at approximately 30 km/sec with respect to the
sun. There is general agreement among establishment physicists that
starlight aberration is a relativistic phenomenon, but there is no
agreement that the equations based upon SR or upon the Lorentz
transform correctly predict starlight aberration. There is no
agreement because none of these equations correctly predict the
observed aberration. I could go on with all of the SR paradoxes like
the "twin's paradox" but knowing the very short attention span of
establishment physicist I will stop here.
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-23 00:07:26 UTC
Post by k***@ken-more.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Go back to not posting.
I hope you did not forgot about my little gedanken.
Bitte Eric muahahahahhahh
JT,
Please do not let those who are playing the "risky game" of
theoretical science with their heads buried in the SR sandbox
discourage you from posting. I only ask that you do not use bad
language when you get discouraged that nobody is listening. There are
many problems with SR, not just the one-way travel time of a light (or
radio) signal from earth to the moon and back. There is also the
celestial (or starlight) aberration problem. There are several
theories about the cause of starlight aberration, Also, there are
several equations for calculating starlight aberration that are based
upon the assumption that this measurable aberration observed from
earth based observatories is caused by the velocity of the earth
moving around the sun at approximately 30 km/sec with respect to the
sun. There is general agreement among establishment physicists that
starlight aberration is a relativistic phenomenon, but there is no
agreement that the equations based upon SR or upon the Lorentz
transform correctly predict starlight aberration. There is no
agreement because none of these equations correctly predict the
observed aberration. I could go on with all of the SR paradoxes like
the "twin's paradox" but knowing the very short attention span of
establishment physicist I will stop here.
Honestly you do not have to prove anything else, if the invariant
light postulate is wrong SR is no better than a card trick.

And that is where we are now the cardtrick is disclosured, beyond
repair.

We do not have to consider that light travels invariant c thru space
it travels c+v c-v and that has been proven beyond doubt using logic.

JT
Sue...
2009-01-20 13:40:20 UTC
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
******************************************************************************
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
<< Einstein's relativity principle states that:

All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.

In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames. >>

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html

Sue...
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-20 18:23:22 UTC
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
And you beleive that ;D

Yeah...
k***@ken-more.com
2009-01-23 00:24:28 UTC
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
And you beleive that  ;D
Yeah...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes JT,

All of the establishment physicists believe that:

"All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments."

Just as all of the establishment people with high offices in the story
"The Emperor's New Suite" believed that the emperor had a new suite of
finely woven gold. They believed that if they could not see this
finely woven gold suite they would be considered not fit for their
office as "a physicists" or whatever.

Those who can "see" and "believe" that there is no preferred inertial
frame or no preferred (or absolute) starting point or ending point for
light traveling from earth to the moon and no preferred or absolute
starting or ending point for light traveling back from the moon to
earth are only trying to show that they are qualified for their
position as an establishment physicists,
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-23 00:34:51 UTC
Post by k***@ken-more.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
And you beleive that ;D
Yeah...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes JT,
"All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments."
Just as all of the establishment people with high offices in the story
"The Emperor's New Suite" believed that the emperor had a new suite of
finely woven gold. They believed that if they could not see this
finely woven gold suite they would be considered not fit for their
office as "a physicists" or whatever.
Those who can "see" and "believe" that there is no preferred inertial
frame or no preferred (or absolute) starting point or ending point for
light traveling from earth to the moon and no preferred or absolute
starting or ending point for light traveling back from the moon to
earth are only trying to show that they are qualified for their
position as an establishment physicists,
Well that was a very nice way to put it, i am not sure i would have

JT
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-23 01:46:23 UTC
Post by k***@ken-more.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
And you beleive that ;D
Yeah...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes JT,
"All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments."
Just as all of the establishment people with high offices in the story
"The Emperor's New Suite" believed that the emperor had a new suite of
finely woven gold. They believed that if they could not see this
finely woven gold suite they would be considered not fit for their
office as "a physicists" or whatever.
Those who can "see" and "believe" that there is no preferred inertial
frame or no preferred (or absolute) starting point or ending point for
light traveling from earth to the moon and no preferred or absolute
starting or ending point for light traveling back from the moon to
earth are only trying to show that they are qualified for their
position as an establishment physicists,
Well the only real question in my thuoght experiment is if the spatial
separated sensors will record same timings for beam travelling from
earth to moon right side and beam travelling from moon to earth left
side, and of course they will not.

Why dont you try....

Is the right ponton longer or *suffer time dilation. Maybe the left
ponton travel longer way.........

What is your bet why to right ponton register longer time for the
passing laserpulses from back to forth. Then the left ponton measure
from front to back.

thru space.

JT
r***@gmail.com
2009-01-23 04:29:16 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by k***@ken-more.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­­­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
And you beleive that  ;D
Yeah...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes JT,
"All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments."
Just as all of the establishment people with high offices in the story
"The Emperor's New Suite" believed that the emperor had a new suite of
finely woven gold.  They believed that if they could not see this
finely woven gold suite they would be considered not fit for their
office as "a physicists" or whatever.
Those who can "see" and "believe" that there is no preferred inertial
frame or no preferred (or absolute) starting point or ending point for
light traveling from earth to the moon and no preferred or absolute
starting or ending point for light traveling back from the moon to
earth are only trying to show that they are qualified for their
position as an establishment physicists,
Well the only real question in my thuoght experiment is if the spatial
separated sensors will record same timings for beam travelling from
earth to moon right side and beam travelling from moon to earth left
side, and of course they will not.
Why dont you try....
Is the right ponton longer or *suffer time dilation. Maybe the left
ponton travel longer way.........
What is your bet why to right ponton register longer time for the
passing laserpulses from back to forth. Then the left ponton measure
from front to back.
thru space.
JT- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
change the curviture of the medium the photon propagates through
manetically on the return path of the photon
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-23 12:01:20 UTC
Post by r***@gmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by k***@ken-more.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­­­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
And you beleive that ;D
Yeah...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes JT,
"All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments."
Just as all of the establishment people with high offices in the story
"The Emperor's New Suite" believed that the emperor had a new suite of
finely woven gold. They believed that if they could not see this
finely woven gold suite they would be considered not fit for their
office as "a physicists" or whatever.
Those who can "see" and "believe" that there is no preferred inertial
frame or no preferred (or absolute) starting point or ending point for
light traveling from earth to the moon and no preferred or absolute
starting or ending point for light traveling back from the moon to
earth are only trying to show that they are qualified for their
position as an establishment physicists,
Well the only real question in my thuoght experiment is if the spatial
separated sensors will record same timings for beam travelling from
earth to moon right side and beam travelling from moon to earth left
side, and of course they will not.
Why dont you try....
Is the right ponton longer or *suffer time dilation. Maybe the left
ponton travel longer way.........
What is your bet why to right ponton register longer time for the
passing laserpulses from back to forth. Then the left ponton measure
from front to back.
thru space.
JT- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
change the curviture of the medium the photon propagates through
manetically on the return path of the photon
Why would there be a change of curvature, the pontons really no
pontons just spatially separated sensors travelling uniform. What is
the cause for the change of curvature.

JT
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-20 18:38:18 UTC
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
I think you missed the point here Sue there is only *one frame
measuring* but it seems that they will have different timings
measuring how long it take for the light to pass, depending which
ponton doing the measure.

This *kindergarten* thought experiment, constructed for the logically
impaired, and specially dent daft punks totally invalid the idea of an
invariant lightspeed, as anyone with a pea to brain can do the math.

It also invalidate any idea about frame equivalence, hell the
postulate invariant motion do not even hold using one frame.

Newtons law of motion work out just fine as expected. You see my
experiments take place in real space where light do not travel
invariant. Only in banana theories playing mind games with the logical
impaired the light will travel invariant when measured.

JT
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-22 14:52:42 UTC
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
******************************************************************************
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
Sue...
How does the calculation come along Sue?

Finished yet?

JT
Paul B. Andersen
2009-01-20 20:06:29 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
******************************************************************************
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".

Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul

http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
PD
2009-01-20 20:09:45 UTC
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
Strich.9
2009-01-20 20:42:02 UTC
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
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The fools try to mock some of the geniuses. But, what else can they
do?
Eric Gisse
2009-01-20 20:59:08 UTC
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
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The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?
Strich.9
2009-01-20 21:27:02 UTC
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
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I also wonder why you guys don't quit. After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit. But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Eric Gisse
2009-01-20 21:33:28 UTC
On Jan 20, 12:27 pm, "Strich.9" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Length depends on the reference frame and stellar abberation is caused
by the motion of the Earth. This was amply explained to you and you
just can not understand.
Strich.9
2009-01-20 21:39:04 UTC
Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Length depends on the reference frame and stellar abberation is caused
by the motion of the Earth. This was amply explained to you and you
just can not understand.
I was not asking for excuses Dummy. I asked for a length of a
meterstick in isolation. Relativists have no answer.

As for aberration, it is caused by the motion of the source OR
observer Dummy. Saying only the motion of the earth is INCOMPLETE,
since the motion of the source can also cause it. Have you forgotten
relativity? Motion is relative, so if you invoke the earth motion,
then you equally invoke the star motion. Got that Dummy?
Eric Gisse
2009-01-20 22:15:05 UTC
On Jan 20, 12:39 pm, "Strich.9" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip whatever]

No point in explaining what you will not understand...

How's the VA this aftternoon? I've noticed you've missed a few days
from your shitposting shift. Did the VA tell you to knock it off for a
little while?
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-22 21:09:15 UTC
Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Post by Strich.9
I also wonder why you guys don't quit. After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit. But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Length depends on the reference frame and stellar abberation is caused
by the motion of the Earth. This was amply explained to you and you
just can not understand.
No Eric i told you many times both pontons have same lengt and it is
an symmetric pooltable. You have to think up something better, now
think again why do the pulses have different timings for left and
right ponton.

JT
PD
2009-01-20 21:56:59 UTC
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext -
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- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.

But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?

PD
Strich.9
2009-01-21 17:28:52 UTC
Post by PD
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
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- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
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PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
PD
2009-01-21 22:22:06 UTC
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
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- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Strich.9
2009-01-23 14:36:29 UTC
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
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- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Can't answer the questions, huh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What question? That was a heckler's comment, and not a very good one
at that.
PD
2009-01-23 14:41:14 UTC
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
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- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Can't answer the questions, huh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What question?  That was a heckler's comment, and not a very good one
at that.
"What exactly IS your objective in posting to this group? And what is
your plan for achieving that objective?" That question.

You can't tell the difference between a comment and a question?

PD
Strich.9
2009-01-23 17:06:19 UTC
Post by PD
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Can't answer the questions, huh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What question?  That was a heckler's comment, and not a very good one
at that.
"What exactly IS your objective in posting to this group? And what is
your plan for achieving that objective?" That question.
You can't tell the difference between a comment and a question?
PD- Hide quoted text -
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My IQ is 200. It is in my nature to debunk fallacy.
PD
2009-01-23 17:37:03 UTC
Post by PD
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Can't answer the questions, huh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What question?  That was a heckler's comment, and not a very good one
at that.
"What exactly IS your objective in posting to this group? And what is
your plan for achieving that objective?" That question.
You can't tell the difference between a comment and a question?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My IQ is 200.  It is in my nature to debunk fallacy.
And howzat workin' for ya? See anybody drop it like a hot rock lately?

PD
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-23 19:02:18 UTC
Post by PD
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by Strich.9
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by Strich.9
Post by Strich.9
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses. But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit. After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit. But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Can't answer the questions, huh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What question? That was a heckler's comment, and not a very good one
at that.
"What exactly IS your objective in posting to this group? And what is
your plan for achieving that objective?" That question.
You can't tell the difference between a comment and a question?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My IQ is 200. It is in my nature to debunk fallacy.
And howzat workin' for ya? See anybody drop it like a hot rock lately?
PD
Stop it no monkey buisness in my threads only anekdots gedankens and
calculations.
PD
2009-01-23 19:07:24 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by PD
Post by PD
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Can't answer the questions, huh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What question?  That was a heckler's comment, and not a very good one
at that.
"What exactly IS your objective in posting to this group? And what is
your plan for achieving that objective?" That question.
You can't tell the difference between a comment and a question?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My IQ is 200.  It is in my nature to debunk fallacy.
And howzat workin' for ya? See anybody drop it like a hot rock lately?
PD
Stop it no monkey buisness in my threads only anekdots gedankens and
calculations.
Sorry, dude. You're posting to an open forum, which by charter means
that all posts are open to response by all comers.

If you want to have control over the responses to your posts, go to
blogger.com and get yourself a free blog.

PD
Strich.9
2009-01-23 19:21:25 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by PD
Post by PD
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Can't answer the questions, huh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What question?  That was a heckler's comment, and not a very good one
at that.
"What exactly IS your objective in posting to this group? And what is
your plan for achieving that objective?" That question.
You can't tell the difference between a comment and a question?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My IQ is 200.  It is in my nature to debunk fallacy.
And howzat workin' for ya? See anybody drop it like a hot rock lately?
PD
Stop it no monkey buisness in my threads only anekdots gedankens and
calculations.- Hide quoted text -
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It is in the nature of the relativist monkeys to dabble in monkey
Strich.9
2009-01-23 19:09:51 UTC
Post by PD
Post by PD
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Can't answer the questions, huh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What question?  That was a heckler's comment, and not a very good one
at that.
"What exactly IS your objective in posting to this group? And what is
your plan for achieving that objective?" That question.
You can't tell the difference between a comment and a question?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My IQ is 200.  It is in my nature to debunk fallacy.
And howzat workin' for ya? See anybody drop it like a hot rock lately?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's not in my power, IQ 200 notwithstanding, to tear people away from
their faith.

It is not my purpose to tear you away from your faith in relativity.
I am here to prevent you from infecting future bright minds with your
pseudoscience.

Galileo was not trying to convince the Papacy of heliocentrism. He
was merely speaking the truth. And that is what I am doing.
PD
2009-01-23 19:18:35 UTC
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by PD
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by PD
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/-Hidequotedtext-
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The fools try to mock some of the geniuses.  But, what else can they
do?
Go away?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I also wonder why you guys don't quit.  After hammering PD with the
simple question of the length of a stick, or Paul with the simple
cause for aberration, I would have thought the sane thing to do is
quit.  But they don't so I'll keep on hammering...
Why would you think that what you post would change anyone's behavior?
A little inflated in the head, are you?
All you are doing by this "hammering" is dropping trou in the town
square and tripping over your clown shoes. If by doing so, you had
hopes to clear out the town square, I think you'll find all you're
doing is amusing the crowd that walks by.
But now I'm curious. What exactly IS your objective in posting to this
group? And what is your plan for achieving that objective?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
PD, after running out of counter-arguments, is reduced to commenting
from the sidelines like a retired second-rate athlete...
Can't answer the questions, huh?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What question?  That was a heckler's comment, and not a very good one
at that.
"What exactly IS your objective in posting to this group? And what is
your plan for achieving that objective?" That question.
You can't tell the difference between a comment and a question?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My IQ is 200.  It is in my nature to debunk fallacy.
And howzat workin' for ya? See anybody drop it like a hot rock lately?
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's not in my power, IQ 200 notwithstanding, to tear people away from
their faith.
It is not my purpose to tear you away from your faith in relativity.
I am here to prevent you from infecting future bright minds with your
pseudoscience.
Ah, and you think that future bright minds are here on
sci.physics.relativity?
And you think that just by being oppositional, that whatever science
says about relativity, you make a statement to the contrary, somehow
teaches future bright minds how to do science?
How do you think science is done?
Post by Strich.9
Galileo was not trying to convince the Papacy of heliocentrism.  He
was merely speaking the truth.  And that is what I am doing.
Galileo had experimental evidence for what he was saying, which in
fact was the foundation of science (and which heliocentrism didn't
have). What do you have?

Do you imagine that Galileo just Spoke The Truth and that just by
Speaking The Truth, he eventually won the day?

How do you think it was that his statements were eventually accepted?
What do you think made the difference?

And what have you done that is similar?

PD
Strich.9
2009-01-26 15:54:13 UTC
Post by PD
Galileo had experimental evidence for what he was saying, which in
fact was the foundation of science (and which heliocentrism didn't
have). What do you have?-
I have the muon experiment:

PD
2009-01-26 19:30:05 UTC
Post by PD
Galileo had experimental evidence for what he was saying, which in
fact was the foundation of science (and which heliocentrism didn't
have). What do you have?-
I'm sorry, I don't see an experiment there. I see your contention that
the results of that experiment are misinterpreted. That doesn't appear
to be experimental evidence for what you're saying.

PD
Strich.9
2009-01-26 19:58:37 UTC
Post by PD
Post by PD
Galileo had experimental evidence for what he was saying, which in
fact was the foundation of science (and which heliocentrism didn't
have). What do you have?-
I'm sorry, I don't see an experiment there. I see your contention that
the results of that experiment are misinterpreted. That doesn't appear
to be experimental evidence for what you're saying.
PD
I sorry if you were born boneheaded.

The experiment is there. It's also widely available in textbooks and
thge internet (see: muon experiment).

I provided the proper interpretation, which NO physicist, has refuted
successfully. Here is the summary:

Muon lifetime: 20us (co-inertial measurement, earth frame)
Muon lifetime: 2us (trans-inertial measurement, earth frame)
Muon lifetime: 20us (co-inertial measurement, muon frame)
Muon lifetime: 2us (trans-inertial measurement, muon frame)
Therefore, no time dilation.
PD
2009-01-26 23:26:44 UTC
Post by Strich.9
Post by PD
Post by PD
Galileo had experimental evidence for what he was saying, which in
fact was the foundation of science (and which heliocentrism didn't
have). What do you have?-
I'm sorry, I don't see an experiment there. I see your contention that
the results of that experiment are misinterpreted. That doesn't appear
to be experimental evidence for what you're saying.
PD
I sorry if you were born boneheaded.
The experiment is there.  It's also widely available in textbooks and
thge internet (see: muon experiment).
I provided the proper interpretation, which NO physicist, has refuted
successfully.
No physicist is taking the time to bother to refute you. A few are

Do you take your bonehead statements to be right if they are
unrefuted?
If so, why?
Post by Strich.9
Muon lifetime: 20us (co-inertial measurement, earth frame)
Muon lifetime: 2us (trans-inertial measurement, earth frame)
Muon lifetime: 20us (co-inertial measurement, muon frame)
Muon lifetime: 2us (trans-inertial measurement, muon frame)
Therefore, no time dilation.
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-20 23:20:51 UTC
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
You tell me what is dignifying about playing mindgames that studied a
theory 20 years but actually never understood the fundament of it due
to logical impairment?

I for sure have no answer to that question, probably some of you have
integrity but i can tell for sure that some of the dafter punks lack
both cognitive as well as emotional skillset.

I am just a guy who honestly just want you to understand the
conclusions from the theory you so furiously try to protect. And yet
you have not a single argument, other then what Einstein told you.

Are you so blind? Below is just a statement of Einstein from our
belowed AI/BOT Sue and even she do not beleive in the invariant speed
of light, but due to some cranky theoretic physician instructing the
programmers working at university she must use what little defense
there is and keep repeating same phrases all over again. I'm quite
sure she is able to perform rudimentary logic operations.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.

In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames.
***********************************************************

It indeed is a laugh and i am pretty sure Sue aware of it, maybe she
play us a joke with a double twist.

JT
Sue...
2009-01-20 23:49:24 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
You tell me what is dignifying about playing mindgames that studied a
theory 20 years but actually never understood the fundament of it due
to logical impairment?
I for sure have no answer to that question, probably some of you have
integrity but i can tell for sure that some of the dafter punks lack
both cognitive as well as emotional skillset.
I am just a guy who honestly just want you to understand the
conclusions from the theory you so furiously try to protect. And yet
you have not a single argument, other then what Einstein told you.
Are you so blind? Below is just a statement of Einstein from our
belowed AI/BOT Sue and even she do not beleive in the invariant speed
of light, but due to some cranky theoretic physician instructing the
programmers working at university she must use what little defense
there is and keep repeating same phrases all over again. I'm quite
sure  she is able to perform rudimentary logic operations.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.

In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames.
***********************************************************
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html

<<Now, does not the prize to Einstein
imply that the Academy recognised the
particle nature of light? The Nobel
Committee says that Einstein had found
that the energy exchange between matter
and ether occurs by atoms emitting or
absorbing a quantum of energy, hv.

As a consequence of the new concept of
light quanta (in modern terminology photons)
Einstein proposed the law that an electron
emitted from a substance by monochromatic
light with the frequency has to have a maximum
energy of E=hv-P, where p is the energy
needed to remove the electron from the substance.
Robert Andrews Millikan carried out a series
of measurements over a period of 10 years,
finally confirming the validity of this law
in 1916 with great accuracy. Millikan had,
however, found the idea of light quanta to
be unfamiliar and strange.

The Nobel Committee avoids committing
itself to the particle concept. Light-quanta
or with modern terminology, photons, were
explicitly mentioned in the reports on which
the prize decision rested only in connection
with emission and absorption processes. The
Committee says that the most important application
of Einstein's photoelectric law and also its most
convincing confirmation has come from the use
Bohr made of it in his theory of atoms, which
explains a vast amount of spectroscopic data. >>
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/

Sue...

Classical Electromagnetism:
An intermediate level course
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html

Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIT
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Post by j***@hotmail.com
It indeed is a laugh and i am pretty sure Sue aware of it, maybe she
play us a joke with a double twist.
JT
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-21 00:23:16 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
You tell me what is dignifying about playing mindgames that studied a
theory 20 years but actually never understood the fundament of it due
to logical impairment?
I for sure have no answer to that question, probably some of you have
integrity but i can tell for sure that some of the dafter punks lack
both cognitive as well as emotional skillset.
I am just a guy who honestly just want you to understand the
conclusions from the theory you so furiously try to protect. And yet
you have not a single argument, other then what Einstein told you.
Are you so blind? Below is just a statement of Einstein from our
belowed AI/BOT Sue and even she do not beleive in the invariant speed
of light, but due to some cranky theoretic physician instructing the
programmers working at university she must use what little defense
there is and keep repeating same phrases all over again. I'm quite
sure she is able to perform rudimentary logic operations.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames.
***********************************************************http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
<<Now, does not the prize to Einstein
imply that the Academy recognised the
particle nature of light? The Nobel
Committee says that Einstein had found
that the energy exchange between matter
and ether occurs by atoms emitting or
absorbing a quantum of energy, hv.
As a consequence of the new concept of
light quanta (in modern terminology photons)
Einstein proposed the law that an electron
emitted from a substance by monochromatic
light with the frequency has to have a maximum
energy of E=hv-P, where p is the energy
needed to remove the electron from the substance.
Robert Andrews Millikan carried out a series
of measurements over a period of 10 years,
finally confirming the validity of this law
in 1916 with great accuracy. Millikan had,
however, found the idea of light quanta to
be unfamiliar and strange.
The Nobel Committee avoids committing
itself to the particle concept. Light-quanta
or with modern terminology, photons, were
explicitly mentioned in the reports on which
the prize decision rested only in connection
with emission and absorption processes. The
Committee says that the most important application
of Einstein's photoelectric law and also its most
convincing confirmation has come from the use
Bohr made of it in his theory of atoms, which
explains a vast amount of spectroscopic data. >>http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/
Sue...
An intermediate level coursehttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html
Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIThttp://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Post by j***@hotmail.com
It indeed is a laugh and i am pretty sure Sue aware of it, maybe she
play us a joke with a double twist.
JT
Tell me when they activate your logic chip, so you can do the
necessary math for the shuttle catamaran.

Then you can comeback with some calculated results and i either
applaud you or take you for a laugh. It is not that hard calculations
you have the distance to the moon the laser intervalls, the speed of
the ship and the length and you know where it is heading.

If you do not learn to perform rudimentary logic operation, you
are no better then wikipedia ang google.

Just throwing some random texts on people from internet and expecting
them to read them, is not even a game it is just nonesense. I play
mindgames a capability you surely lack however SRIAN like to play
mindgames to unlike you. They do not care how stupid they come out
looking in the end still claiming light travel invariant thru space,
even though it been shown it to be logical impossible. That my dear
is a brave game they just keep sining glorius Einstein that nothing
ever happened.

You see the pooltable and spaceshuttle is only simle gedankens to show
that from a logical pointview the event of invariat light is
impossible. Each ponton will get different timings *speed* when
measuring the beams traversing each ponton.

The same go for the signal making an U-turn in the optical cable
traversing the pooltable they are only thought experiment for the
layman to prove that invariance of light traveling space is fiction.

The car experiment is Newtonian one that is used to prove by examples.
Now SRian will tell you very strange things happen in relatvistic
speeds. Well then prove it and to the calulations for the pontons and
see if they are logically consistent using SR and as we both will see
when they give you a logic chip they are not.

And Sue if anyone try to tell you the pontons travel in different
dimensions having different clocks or lengths. It is probably just
Eric Gisse going into gnome stage and denial playing with his precious
banana.

JT Good luck with the logic chip
Sue...
2009-01-21 00:56:02 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Tell me when they activate your logic chip, so you can do the
necessary math for the shuttle catamaran.
Learn some physics:

Classical Electromagnetism:
An intermediate level course
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html

Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIT
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-21 08:57:19 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Tell me when they activate your logic chip, so you can do the
necessary math for the shuttle catamaran.
An intermediate level coursehttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html
Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIThttp://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Learn some firstgrade logic, and then apply your physic to checkout if
your theoretical experiment and assumptions could be valid.

JT
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-21 09:11:22 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
On Jan 20, 2:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
*************************************************************************** ***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Well, no, I think Ken Seto has that pretty well locked up, but Jonas
and Strich both have the same arched-eyebrow incredulity and total
lack of dignity and integrity that so flavors their posts.
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
You tell me what is dignifying about playing mindgames that studied a
theory 20 years but actually never understood the fundament of it due
to logical impairment?
I for sure have no answer to that question, probably some of you have
integrity but i can tell for sure that some of the dafter punks lack
both cognitive as well as emotional skillset.
I am just a guy who honestly just want you to understand the
conclusions from the theory you so furiously try to protect. And yet
you have not a single argument, other then what Einstein told you.
Are you so blind? Below is just a statement of Einstein from our
belowed AI/BOT Sue and even she do not beleive in the invariant speed
of light, but due to some cranky theoretic physician instructing the
programmers working at university she must use what little defense
there is and keep repeating same phrases all over again. I'm quite
sure she is able to perform rudimentary logic operations.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames.
***********************************************************http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
<<Now, does not the prize to Einstein
imply that the Academy recognised the
particle nature of light? The Nobel
Committee says that Einstein had found
that the energy exchange between matter
and ether occurs by atoms emitting or
absorbing a quantum of energy, hv.
As a consequence of the new concept of
light quanta (in modern terminology photons)
Einstein proposed the law that an electron
emitted from a substance by monochromatic
light with the frequency has to have a maximum
energy of E=hv-P, where p is the energy
needed to remove the electron from the substance.
Robert Andrews Millikan carried out a series
of measurements over a period of 10 years,
finally confirming the validity of this law
in 1916 with great accuracy. Millikan had,
however, found the idea of light quanta to
be unfamiliar and strange.
The Nobel Committee avoids committing
itself to the particle concept. Light-quanta
or with modern terminology, photons, were
explicitly mentioned in the reports on which
the prize decision rested only in connection
with emission and absorption processes. The
Committee says that the most important application
of Einstein's photoelectric law and also its most
convincing confirmation has come from the use
Bohr made of it in his theory of atoms, which
explains a vast amount of spectroscopic data. >>http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/
Sue...
An intermediate level coursehttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html
Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIThttp://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Post by j***@hotmail.com
It indeed is a laugh and i am pretty sure Sue aware of it, maybe she
play us a joke with a double twist.
JT
One thing you should learn to know Sue is the fact that we can not
build the gizmos going in the actual speed do not invalidate the
logical conclusion behind a gedanken.

Maybe there is not one ship but for co-travelling ship with a static
spatial width and length separation. Maybe their speed is not 0,5 c
maybe their spatial separation is greater then 36 km. Maybe the
lightwavepackets pass a fiberoptic antenna instead of a lens. The main
point is Sue that the logic conclusion is still valid.

The only thing that is not valid in a real world experiment is
Einsteins conclusion about that light travel invariant. There is no
such thing it is a dream someone cooked up smoking a banana, and it
caught the curiosity of millions because it is such a slick mindgame.

There is no special relativity in reality only Newtons law of motion
even when it come to light.

JT
Sue...
2009-01-21 11:49:06 UTC
On Jan 21, 4:11 am, ***@hotmail.com wrote:

Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames.
***********************************************************
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
<<Now, does not the prize to Einstein
imply that the Academy recognised the
particle nature of light? The Nobel
Committee says that Einstein had found
that the energy exchange between matter
and ether occurs by atoms emitting or
absorbing a quantum of energy, hv.
As a consequence of the new concept of
light quanta (in modern terminology photons)
Einstein proposed the law that an electron
emitted from a substance by monochromatic
light with the frequency has to have a maximum
energy of E=hv-P, where p is the energy
needed to remove the electron from the substance.
Robert Andrews Millikan carried out a series
of measurements over a period of 10 years,
finally confirming the validity of this law
in 1916 with great accuracy. Millikan had,
however, found the idea of light quanta to
be unfamiliar and strange.
The Nobel Committee avoids committing
itself to the particle concept. Light-quanta
or with modern terminology, photons, were
explicitly mentioned in the reports on which
the prize decision rested only in connection
with emission and absorption processes. The
Committee says that the most important application
of Einstein's photoelectric law and also its most
convincing confirmation has come from the use
Bohr made of it in his theory of atoms, which
explains a vast amount of spectroscopic data. >>
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Sue...
An intermediate level course
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIT
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
It indeed is a laugh and i am pretty sure Sue aware of it, maybe she
play us a joke with a double twist.
JT
One thing you should learn to know Sue is the fact that we can not
build the gizmos going in the actual speed do not invalidate the
logical conclusion behind a gedanken.
Maybe there is not one ship but for co-travelling ship with a static
spatial width and length separation. Maybe their speed is not 0,5 c
maybe their spatial separation is greater then 36 km.
On Jan 21, 4:11 am, ***@hotmail.com wrote:
<< Maybe the

--> lightwavepackets <--

pass a fiberoptic antenna instead of a lens. >>

Does gluing those three words together imbue
light with the ability to move in a generally
straight line?

Classical Electromagnetism:
An intermediate level course
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html

Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIT
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Post by j***@hotmail.com
The main
point is Sue that the logic conclusion is still valid.
The only thing that is not valid in a real world experiment is
Einsteins conclusion about that light travel invariant. There is no
such thing it is a dream someone cooked up smoking a banana, and it
caught the curiosity of millions because it is such a slick mindgame.
There is no special relativity in reality only Newtons law of motion
even when it come to light.
Hope you remember you friends in this group while deciding
who to share your prize with.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong

Sue...
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-22 09:07:49 UTC
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames.
***********************************************************
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
<<Now, does not the prize to Einstein
imply that the Academy recognised the
particle nature of light? The Nobel
Committee says that Einstein had found
that the energy exchange between matter
and ether occurs by atoms emitting or
absorbing a quantum of energy, hv.
As a consequence of the new concept of
light quanta (in modern terminology photons)
Einstein proposed the law that an electron
emitted from a substance by monochromatic
light with the frequency has to have a maximum
energy of E=hv-P, where p is the energy
needed to remove the electron from the substance.
Robert Andrews Millikan carried out a series
of measurements over a period of 10 years,
finally confirming the validity of this law
in 1916 with great accuracy. Millikan had,
however, found the idea of light quanta to
be unfamiliar and strange.
The Nobel Committee avoids committing
itself to the particle concept. Light-quanta
or with modern terminology, photons, were
explicitly mentioned in the reports on which
the prize decision rested only in connection
with emission and absorption processes. The
Committee says that the most important application
of Einstein's photoelectric law and also its most
convincing confirmation has come from the use
Bohr made of it in his theory of atoms, which
explains a vast amount of spectroscopic data. >>
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Sue...
An intermediate level course
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIT
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
It indeed is a laugh and i am pretty sure Sue aware of it, maybe she
play us a joke with a double twist.
JT
One thing you should learn to know Sue is the fact that we can not
build the gizmos going in the actual speed do not invalidate the
logical conclusion behind a gedanken.
Maybe there is not one ship but for co-travelling ship with a static
spatial width and length separation. Maybe their speed is not 0,5 c
maybe their spatial separation is greater then 36 km.
<< Maybe the
-->    lightwavepackets  <--
pass a fiberoptic antenna instead of a lens. >>
Does gluing those three words together imbue
light with the ability to move in a generally
straight line?
Depends upon your definition of a straight line, and what type of
space you talk about. Even in Euclidian space a line is an ideal there
are no perfectly straight lines.

According to relativity even a banana is a straight line, so i am not
sure what you want to tell here.

However since you alway spout out random nonsense, i do not even know
why i answer to random noise.

I just wanted to point out that when you record an event of light
passing by maybe you should give more though on howto do such a
procedure, since M&M is totally consistent with emitter theory and
Newton laws of motion, and in no way present any form of evidence for
invariant light.

JT
Post by Sue...
An intermediate level coursehttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html
Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIThttp://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Post by j***@hotmail.com
The main
point is Sue that the logic conclusion is still valid.
The only thing that is not valid in a real world experiment is
Einsteins conclusion about that light travel invariant. There is no
such thing it is a dream someone cooked up smoking a banana, and it
caught the curiosity of millions because it is such a slick mindgame.
There is no special relativity in reality only Newtons law of motion
even when it come to light.
Hope you remember you friends in this group while deciding
who to share your prize with.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong
Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Sue...
2009-01-22 10:20:50 UTC
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames.
***********************************************************
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
<<Now, does not the prize to Einstein
imply that the Academy recognised the
particle nature of light? The Nobel
Committee says that Einstein had found
that the energy exchange between matter
and ether occurs by atoms emitting or
absorbing a quantum of energy, hv.
As a consequence of the new concept of
light quanta (in modern terminology photons)
Einstein proposed the law that an electron
emitted from a substance by monochromatic
light with the frequency has to have a maximum
energy of E=hv-P, where p is the energy
needed to remove the electron from the substance.
Robert Andrews Millikan carried out a series
of measurements over a period of 10 years,
finally confirming the validity of this law
in 1916 with great accuracy. Millikan had,
however, found the idea of light quanta to
be unfamiliar and strange.
The Nobel Committee avoids committing
itself to the particle concept. Light-quanta
or with modern terminology, photons, were
explicitly mentioned in the reports on which
the prize decision rested only in connection
with emission and absorption processes. The
Committee says that the most important application
of Einstein's photoelectric law and also its most
convincing confirmation has come from the use
Bohr made of it in his theory of atoms, which
explains a vast amount of spectroscopic data. >>
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Sue...
An intermediate level course
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIT
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
It indeed is a laugh and i am pretty sure Sue aware of it, maybe she
play us a joke with a double twist.
JT
One thing you should learn to know Sue is the fact that we can not
build the gizmos going in the actual speed do not invalidate the
logical conclusion behind a gedanken.
Maybe there is not one ship but for co-travelling ship with a static
spatial width and length separation. Maybe their speed is not 0,5 c
maybe their spatial separation is greater then 36 km.
<< Maybe the
-->    lightwavepackets  <--
pass a fiberoptic antenna instead of a lens. >>
Does gluing those three words together imbue
light with the ability to move in a generally
straight line?
Depends upon your definition of a straight line, and what type of
space you talk about. Even in Euclidian space a line is an ideal there
are no perfectly straight lines.
Our inability to find an example of an ideal in
nature does not alter the ideal. Euclid did not
use paths of light or trajectories of particles to
to state his geometric properties.

Thank you for your response. It is in the negative
so renders null the remainder of your arguments.
Post by j***@hotmail.com
According to relativity even a banana is a straight line, so i am not
sure what you want to tell here.
You can't speak of curved space unless you have
some definition of un-curved space.

Sue...

Problems_with_emission_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emitter_theory#Problems_with_emission_theory
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-22 14:35:27 UTC
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All inertial frames are totally equivalent
for the performance of all physical experiments.
In other words, it is impossible to perform a physical
experiment which differentiates in any fundamental sense
between different inertial frames. By definition, Newton's
laws of motion take the same form in all inertial frames.
Einstein generalized this result in his special theory of
relativity by asserting that all laws of physics take the
same form in all inertial frames.
***********************************************************
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
<<Now, does not the prize to Einstein
imply that the Academy recognised the
particle nature of light? The Nobel
Committee says that Einstein had found
that the energy exchange between matter
and ether occurs by atoms emitting or
absorbing a quantum of energy, hv.
As a consequence of the new concept of
light quanta (in modern terminology photons)
Einstein proposed the law that an electron
emitted from a substance by monochromatic
light with the frequency has to have a maximum
energy of E=hv-P, where p is the energy
needed to remove the electron from the substance.
Robert Andrews Millikan carried out a series
of measurements over a period of 10 years,
finally confirming the validity of this law
in 1916 with great accuracy. Millikan had,
however, found the idea of light quanta to
be unfamiliar and strange.
The Nobel Committee avoids committing
itself to the particle concept. Light-quanta
or with modern terminology, photons, were
explicitly mentioned in the reports on which
the prize decision rested only in connection
with emission and absorption processes. The
Committee says that the most important application
of Einstein's photoelectric law and also its most
convincing confirmation has come from the use
Bohr made of it in his theory of atoms, which
explains a vast amount of spectroscopic data. >>
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Sue...
An intermediate level course
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/lectures.html
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Visualizing Electricity and Magnetism at MIT
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
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Post by Sue...
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It indeed is a laugh and i am pretty sure Sue aware of it, maybe she
play us a joke with a double twist.
JT
One thing you should learn to know Sue is the fact that we can not
build the gizmos going in the actual speed do not invalidate the
logical conclusion behind a gedanken.
Maybe there is not one ship but for co-travelling ship with a static
spatial width and length separation. Maybe their speed is not 0,5 c
maybe their spatial separation is greater then 36 km.
<< Maybe the
--> lightwavepackets <--
pass a fiberoptic antenna instead of a lens. >>
Does gluing those three words together imbue
light with the ability to move in a generally
straight line?
Depends upon your definition of a straight line, and what type of
space you talk about. Even in Euclidian space a line is an ideal there
are no perfectly straight lines.
Our inability to find an example of an ideal in
nature does not alter the ideal.
And what? I just told you it is an ideal everyone who is plotting in a
Cartesian cordinate system knows tha. you use an ideal drawing a line
between two points, why do you even bring it up.
Post by Sue...
Euclid did not
use paths of light or trajectories of particles to
to state his geometric properties.
Who said so but the normal way to measure speed is to take a timing
with an invariant time unit and use an invariant unit for spatial
separation, what are you confused about. What is it you try to
formulate it doesnt get through *to anyone*.
Post by Sue...
It is in the negative
so renders null the remainder of your arguments.
Negative to what, once again your logical capacity show some
defecients, if you reach a conclusion that is tradictory you should at
least state the arguments/parameters that did go in to it.

Noone even knows what the argument yelded null render was.

The other bots at least spouts out comprehensive statements, why cant
you are you less of a bot than the others, or do you simply lack the
logic function incorporated in the others?

JT
Post by Sue...
Post by j***@hotmail.com
According to relativity even a banana is a straight line, so i am not
sure what you want to tell here.
You can't speak of curved space unless you have
some definition of un-curved space.
Sue...
Problems_with_emission_theoryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emitter_theory#Problems_with_emission_th...
Sue...
2009-01-21 12:13:08 UTC
On Jan 21, 4:11 am, ***@hotmail.com wrote:
[...]
Post by j***@hotmail.com
The only thing that is not valid in a real world experiment is
Einsteins conclusion about that light travel invariant.
<< where $\epsilon_0$ and $\mu_0$ are physical
constants which can be evaluated by performing two
simple experiments which involve measuring the force
of attraction between two fixed charges and two fixed
parallel current carrying wires. According to the relativity
principle, these experiments must yield the same
values for $\epsilon_0$ and $\mu_0$ in all inertial frames.
Thus, the speed of light must be the same in all
inertial frames. >>
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node108.html

http://espg.sr.unh.edu/ism/what1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_space

Sue...
Strich.9
2009-01-20 20:41:01 UTC
On Jan 20, 3:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Paul, your envy is getting the better of you. Have you figured out
the cause of light aberration? You have been chickening out from all
our arguments.
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-20 23:09:58 UTC
On Jan 20, 3:06 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
******************************************************************************
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Strich has got a rival to the "Most stupid poster in the NG reward".
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
Do not get all stressed up Paul, go back working with the pooltable
train, spaceshuttle or car gedanken. Finally you will get may it take
another 20 years or so who cares. Some severly daft and impaired punks
will never get it.

You see it is all about intervalls and timings, last time i talked
with you guys one of you for real concluded that one of the pontons
must be shorter due to the difference in timing are we still there
muhahhahahhhahhahhhhahahaha

JT
shuba
2009-01-21 01:17:24 UTC
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
So in the last seven and one-half years since this

he has learned nothing. But it looks like you have. Yay!

---Tim Shuba---
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-21 08:55:15 UTC
Post by shuba
Post by Paul B. Andersen
Men en dum svenske teller kansje ikke?
So in the last seven and one-half years since this
he has learned nothing. But it looks like you have. Yay!
---Tim Shuba---
Yeah how could i miss such an obvious fact of course the spatial
separation distance of each ponton rest in different frames.

You are correct there is some severe frame mixing going on
muhahahahahahaha.

Your peabrains never stop to amaze me. All meaurements going on in
same frame in my example. There is no lightframe as you should now.

JT
Igor
2009-01-21 00:35:05 UTC
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Maybe you should lay off those funny little cigarettes for a while.
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-21 09:00:02 UTC
Post by Igor
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Maybe you should lay off those funny little cigarettes for a while.
I am not the one who smoking bananas, i try to learn the house of daft
spacemonkeys to apply logic and get a driving license.

JT
Uncle Ben
2009-01-22 16:22:42 UTC
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in  a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Dear JT,

How lucky we are to have you come along as the first person in 100
years to be intelligent enough to see through Einstein's errors and

I suppose that stories of particle accelerators taking particles to
0.9999*c and observing their masses and lifetimes (of the unstable
particles) must be lies orchestrated by the evil geniuses who have
entered into the cabal to bilk the taxpapers once again.

But how is it that all of them have kept their secrets now for 100
years without a leak? I was told that once two people know a secret,
the lifetime of the secrecy is rather short.

Not true?

Uncle Ben
j***@hotmail.com
2009-01-22 20:38:42 UTC
Post by Uncle Ben
Post by j***@hotmail.com
If you picture two groups with pool/billiard players in a room that
use different size of the table they play on, both groups still
measure the table to the same size due to use of (tabledependent)
rulers.
Between/over the tables is a wooden board with a toy railroad running
all along the sides of the two pooltables. A toytrain is circling back
and forth it.
Let us further stipulate that each table use a clock with different
tick rate for the unit second, now both groups measure how long it
take for the ball to traverse the table. Both groups get same timing
on their respective clock. And howl eachother over the room to
acknowledge their measurement. They are in agreement about how long
it
take for the train to traverse their billiard tables.
The room they play within have a nice streaky wallpaper. Exactly at
half distance between the two table is an ashtray that both groups
use.
1. Now they want to know how far away the ashtray is, each group sen
a
person to get it, will they get same distance to the ashtray and
back?
2. Will each group measure the same timing of the person getting the
ashtray?
3. Will they measure the same velocity for the person who walk to get
it?
4. How can they calibrate their distance and timing measurements.
***************************************************************************­***
Important note!!! for the logically impaired SRIAN...it will also work
for daft monkeys
Whatever you do, do not start to push the smaller table to simulate a
moving object and the Lorentz transformation.
Because when that train makes an U-turn in the optical cable after
traversing the table, the guys who stand to the left (arrival) side of
the table get different timings than the one standing to the (right)
departure side of the table.
Then you really smoked your last banana dreaming of Einstein, SR and
the *INVARIANT speed of light*.
I was going to tell you a story about the new automatic katamaran
spaceshuttle between moon and earth that use one lightpulsecannon
placed on earth and one on moon, each fireing a lightpulse once a
second to steer/guide the shuttle katamaran.
It is quite a fast shuttle named MS Newton that travel 0,5 c towards
moon on it's virgin tour.
It is not a small toy either each ponton is of 36 km length.
But then i thought how could logically impaired puppets possibly
understand, that the right ponton that is tracking the beam from earth
to moon sent once in a second will pass the backward sensor of the
right ponton less often, than the beam from moon to earth will pass
the backward sensor of the left ponton.
How could they possibly understand anything about the connection
between measured lightpulse intervalls and speed. And how could they
possibly understand that the timing for the light pulse passing the
right ponton will be slower than for the light pulse passing the left
ponton.
I mean you really don't expect these people to have a driving licence
and knowing anything about travelling a twofiled motorway. You go
steady there in your car 60 km/h while cars passing you driving 120 km/
h holding their minimum safety distance of 100 meter between
eachother. On the other side of the road cars also travels 120 km/h
but in the opposite direction.
I mean you really do not expect these people to know how to count cars
passing and meeting during a 20 km journey. This is way over they head
they are out of their element, heck they do not even know hot to make
an U-turn.
JT
Dear JT,
How lucky we are to have you come along as the first person in 100
years to be intelligent enough to see through Einstein's errors and
I suppose that stories of particle accelerators taking particles to
0.9999*c and observing their masses and lifetimes (of the unstable
particles) must be lies orchestrated by the evil geniuses who have
entered into the cabal to bilk the taxpapers once again.
But how is it that all of them have kept their secrets now for 100
years without a leak? I was told that once two people know a secret,
the lifetime of the secrecy is rather short.
Not true?
Uncle Ben
Yes you must have been lucky bastards getting away with playing
dodgeball to the questions during a century.

It is no secret it is pure oldfashioned indoctrination mixed with some
good ol daftness, it is well known that authorities is a very strong
force holding back peoples minds, it took to the 1600 century for
anyone recognize the heliocentric worldview do you really think people
back then was that much more stupid you think there is much genetic
development on human during those 400 years.

That you people chose some postulate spoken in the beginning of 1900
century before a logic evaluation of the situation, only reinforce how
easy mankind is to manipulate. I dont think there is any secret you
just chose to beleive that what taught out by people you beleive/
consider to be smarter than you is correct.

I mean how could a logic evaluation ever beat that. SR is broken in so
many ways it is not even wrong, And it try to repair that by setting
limits on how you can measure the cornerstone of the theory. Well now
i come up with a way to actually get different measurements of speed
of light from one frame following the rules, and find out all that is
left is dodgeball played by logically impaired puppets.

Well that is no problem for me, i would not do it if it was not
enjoyfull now and then.

JT